linux-kernel - Re: Why does __do_page_cache_readahead submit READ, not READA?

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Message-ID: <20090803093426.GA25139@localhost>
Date:	Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:34:26 +0800
From:	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com>
To:	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>
Cc:	Chris Mason <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	Lars Ellenberg <lars.ellenberg@...bit.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"dm-devel@...hat.com" <dm-devel@...hat.com>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@...e.de>,
	"Van De Ven, Arjan" <arjan.van.de.ven@...el.com>
Subject: Re: Why does __do_page_cache_readahead submit READ, not READA?

On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 05:25:15PM +0800, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 03 2009, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 03:59:33PM +0800, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 03 2009, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:06:49AM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > > > > read at that level. I did some experimentation some time ago for
> > > > > > > flagging this, see:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://git.kernel.dk/?p=linux-2.6-block.git;a=commitdiff;h=16cfe64e3568cda412b3cf6b7b891331946b595e
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > which should pass down READA properly.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > One of the problems in the past was that reada would fail if there
> > > > > > wasn't a free request when we actually wanted it to go ahead and wait.
> > > > > > Or something.  We've switched it around a few times I think.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, we did used to do that, whether it was 2.2 or 2.4 I
> > > > > don't recall :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > It should be safe to enable know, whether there's a prettier way
> > > > > than the above, I don't know. It works by detecting the read-ahead
> > > > > marker, but it's a bit of a fragile design.
> > > > 
> > > > Another consideration is io-priority reversion and the overheads
> > > > required to avoid it:
> > > > 
> > > >         readahead(pages A-Z)    => READA IO for pages A-Z
> > > >         <short time later>
> > > >         read(page A) => blocked => find the request that contains page A
> > > >                                    and requeue/kick it as READ IO
> > > > 
> > > > The page-to-request lookups are not always required but nevertheless
> > > > the complexity and overheads won't be trivial.
> > > > 
> > > > The page-to-request lookup feature would be also useful for "advanced"
> > > > features like io-canceling (if implemented, hwpoison could be its
> > > > first user ;)
> > > 
> > > I added that 3-4 years ago or so, to experiment with in-kernel
> > > cancellation for things like truncate(). Tracking pages is not cheap,
> > > and since the write cancelling wasn't really very sucessful, I didn't go
> > > ahead with it.
> > 
> > Ah OK.
> > 
> > > So I'm not sure it's a viable alternative, even if we restricted it to
> > > just tracking READA's, for instance.
> > 
> > Kind of agreed. I guess it won't benefit too much workloads to default
> > to READA; for most workloads it would be pure overheads if considering
> > priority inversion.
> > 
> > > But I don't think we have any priority inversion to worry about, at
> > > least not from the CFQ perspective.
> > 
> > The priority inversion problem showed up in an early attempt to do
> > boot time prefetching. I guess this problem was somehow circumvented
> > by limiting the prefetch depth and do prefetches in original read
> > order instead of disk location order (Arjan cc'ed).
> 
> But was that not due to the prefetcher running at a lower cpu priority?

Yes, it is. Thus the priority inversion problem.

> Just flagging a reada hint will not change your priority in the IO
> scheduler, so we should have no priority inversion there.

Ah OK. So READA merely means "don't try hard on error" for now.
Sorry I implicitly associated it with some priority class..

Thanks,
Fengguang
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