linux-kernel - Re: linux-arm-kernel useless for development (was Re: Your message to Linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval)

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Message-ID: <4A7ACC8D.7030706@xenontk.org>
Date:	Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:59:01 +0530
From:	David John <davidjon@...ontk.org>
To:	Russell King <rmk+lkml@....linux.org.uk>
CC:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Erik Mouw <mouw@...linux.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: linux-arm-kernel useless for development (was Re: Your message
 to Linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval)

On 08/06/2009 05:38 PM, Russell King wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 01:31:04PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>>>>> Please fix your mailinglist.
>>>>>
>>>>> You claimed that it is possible to crosspost between lkml and lakml,
>>>>> yet the lakml does everything to prevent that -- even in case as
>>>>> simple as reporting that regression that affects arm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please fix it.
>>> It is indeed possible to cross post between lkml and lakml. The easiest
>>> way to do that is to subscribe to the list and tell Mailman that you
>>> don't want to receive any messages.
>> Actually I'm subscribed, but I still have far too many problems.
>>
>> Due to the approval process, I don't think you'll ever have a spammer
>> on lakml... can the mail size + #of people in to/cc list simply be
>> increased to lkml levels?
> 
> The mail size is currently 100K, having been recently increased.  I
> believe this is a sane limit.
> 
> The number of people is 15, which is probably a little low.  I've
> already explained my personal position over that limit concerning
> requests from you.  Erik's position may be different.
> 
>>> When I get such a Mailman message from a list I just shrug. The
>>> moderator will take care eventually and if he rejects it I don't care.
>>> Suggest you try to do the same, there are may more important things
>>> than a message that doesn't get it to a list.
>> Well, I'd say that mailing list is pretty vital for Linux-style 
>> development, and those rejects are simply far too frequent.
> 
> This is the first time in at least one month that anything from you has
> been held according to the logs.  If I look at my mailbox which has
> 3400+ messages from the list since 1st June, you have sent 78 messages,
> only one of which was held.
> 
> I think you need to develop a realistic sense of proportion.
> 

I think the basis of Pavel's complaint is that the ARM mailing list is
difficult to work with for casual users who might want to forward say,
a simple bug report.

If data protection laws prevent you from keeping an open list, can't you
host the list at kernel.org or elsewhere?

Regards,
David.
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