linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add "L: linux-arm@...r.kernel.org" to ARM sections

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Message-ID: <20090813103513.GC6132@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
Date:	Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:35:13 +0100
From:	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>
To:	Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>
Cc:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...helsinki.fi>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Ben Dooks <ben-linux@...ff.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.arm.linux.org.uk,
	David John <davidjon@...ontk.org>,
	Erik Mouw <mouw@...linux.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Krzysztof Halasa <khc@...waw.pl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add "L: linux-arm@...r.kernel.org" to ARM
	sections

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 03:16:33AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 10:47 +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > These lists have _TWO_ admins.  Fact: Everyone only talks to me
> > about problems with these lists.  Fact: they do not copy Erik.
> 
> Erik isn't listed in MAINTAINERS.  You are.
> Erik doesn't post much to lkml.  You do.

Is Matti, who also looks after vger, in MAINTAINERS ?

Given your position above, don't you think he should be, so that when
people have a problem with LKML they can email him?

I think you're not understanding me (Alan seems to have made the same
mistake).  Please note that I was talking about the _admin_ side not
the actual useful ARM traffic side.

> > Humans are, at the end of the day, bone idle lazy creatures.
> 
> Which is why we invent tools to work for us.
> 
> Humans tend to reuse and improve the tools that work best.
> Your ARM based mail tool has caused some to do more work
> than they would like, so they would like to use a better
> tool.

So instead you'd like me to do more work by having to service peoples
requests about how to subscribe and unsubscribe from a mailing list
which I don't run?

I invented a tool for that.  It's called "running my own mailing list."

> I believe very few care very much if vger.kernel.org or
> arm.linux.org.uk is the list server.  I don't.  I just
> want my email to get through.
> 
> And I still don't want to subscribe.

And... have your emails been held for moderation recently?

This one was:
http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090806.142334.73be8efd.en.html

These (subsequent) ones weren't:
http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090806.151424.0228a1eb.en.html
http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090806.161848.fb390ccd.en.html
http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090806.165331.aeb0c29b.en.html
http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090810.234907.a080c816.en.html
http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090813.011852.5ebd9da5.en.html
http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090813.085937.87e2f189.en.html

> Reduce the probability of forwarding spam, open the list,
> remove "(subscribers-only)" from the ARM MAINTAINERS entries
> and I'd be good-to-go.

I feel we're covering old ground here (see the earlier bits of this thread.)
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