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Message-ID: <520f0cf10909231308y7c82227cvf19a36ae59b6a6cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:08:51 +0200 From: John Kacur <jkacur@...il.com> To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> Cc: David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, rostedt@...dmis.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca, a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl, fweisbec@...il.com, acme@...hat.com, mhiramat@...hat.com, postmaster@...r.kernel.org Subject: Re: mailing list for trace users On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> wrote: > > * John Kacur <jkacur@...il.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> wrote: >> > >> > * David Miller <davem@...emloft.net> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> >> >> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:47:25 +0200 >> >> >> >> > Could you please also create the linux-perf-users list, for perf >> >> > events and the perf tool related user questions? (We have asked for >> >> > this before but must have gotten lost somewhere) >> >> >> >> I think your communities are similar enough and small enough that you >> >> could share this list. >> > >> > It's two separate subsystems. There's a lot of non-tracing aspects of >> > performance events: it does profiling, counting, latency analysis, etc. >> > The tool is named 'perf', the subsystem is named 'performance events', >> > and the most typical workflows dont do any tracing. >> > >> > And i beg to differ about the size of the communities. It's just been >> > added upstream... >> > >> > Also, what is the policy for adding new lists to vger.kernel.org? If a >> > subsystem maintainer asks for a list named after a core kernel >> > subsystem, how frequently is it rejected, and on what basis? >> > >> > I find it sad that such an arbitrary looking negative decision from you >> > forces a user list away from vger. I wouldnt mind it to be closed if it >> > has no significant traffic after a year or lifetime or so - many vger >> > lists have almost no traffic to begin with. >> > >> > Also, i cannot help but to observe the fact that you've fought the >> > original perfcounters project in a very ugly and public way less >> > than a year ago. Dont you think that you 'deciding' this matter in >> > such a negative fashion is a conflict of interest? >> > >> > ? ? ? ?Ingo >> >> Yikes - Ingo, I don't want to spawn a long thread here about what to >> call the list, but as a native English speaker, I think that >> "linux-trace-users" sounds much nicer than "linux-tracing-users". > > That argument i can and will accept of course ... > > The "sorry, i ignored you twice and now it's unfortunately too late" > excuse given by David i will not ;-) > > Note that this mail you replied to was about > linux-perf-users@...r.kernel.org, which David refused to create, > suggesting that perf users should mail to > linux-trace-users@...r.kernel.org instead. (which is a curious argument > - if you use a tool named 'perf', or if you are using PAPI to count > events, would it occur to you to mail to that list?) > > Ingo > Oh, for that matter, as a user of both tracing and the perf tool, I think it IS appropriate to have separate lists. John -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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