linux-kernel - Re: regression in page writeback

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Message-ID: <20090923031012.GA7358@sli10-desk.sh.intel.com>
Date:	Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:10:12 +0800
From:	Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@...el.com>
To:	"Wu, Fengguang" <fengguang.wu@...el.com>
Cc:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"richard@....demon.co.uk" <richard@....demon.co.uk>,
	"jens.axboe@...cle.com" <jens.axboe@...cle.com>
Subject: Re: regression in page writeback

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:49:58AM +0800, Wu, Fengguang wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:36:22AM +0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:26:22 +0800 Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 09:59:41AM +0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:45:00 +0800 Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 09:28:32AM +0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:17:58 +0800 Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 08:54:52AM +0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:22:20 +0800 Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Jens' per-bdi writeback has another improvement. In 2.6.31, when
> > > > > > > > > superblocks A and B both have 100000 dirty pages, it will first
> > > > > > > > > exhaust A's 100000 dirty pages before going on to sync B's.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > That would only be true if someone broke 2.6.31.  Did they?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > SYSCALL_DEFINE0(sync)
> > > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > > 	wakeup_pdflush(0);
> > > > > > > > 	sync_filesystems(0);
> > > > > > > > 	sync_filesystems(1);
> > > > > > > > 	if (unlikely(laptop_mode))
> > > > > > > > 		laptop_sync_completion();
> > > > > > > > 	return 0;
> > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the sync_filesystems(0) is supposed to non-blockingly start IO against
> > > > > > > > all devices.  It used to do that correctly.  But people mucked with it
> > > > > > > > so perhaps it no longer does.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm referring to writeback_inodes(). Each invocation of which (to sync
> > > > > > > 4MB) will do the same iteration over superblocks A => B => C ... So if
> > > > > > > A has dirty pages, it will always be served first.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So if wbc->bdi == NULL (which is true for kupdate/background sync), it
> > > > > > > will have to first exhaust A before going on to B and C.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But that works OK.  We fill the first device's queue, then it gets
> > > > > > congested and sync_sb_inodes() does nothing and we advance to the next
> > > > > > queue.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So in common cases "exhaust" is a bit exaggerated, but A does receive
> > > > > much more opportunity than B. Computation resources for IO submission
> > > > > are unbalanced for A, and there are pointless overheads in rechecking A.
> > > > 
> > > > That's unquantified handwaving.  One CPU can do a *lot* of IO.
> > > 
> > > Yes.. I had the impression that the writeback submission can be pretty slow.
> > > It should be because of the congestion_wait. Now that it is removed,
> > > things are going faster when queue is not full.
> > 
> > What?  The wait is short.  The design intent there is that we repoll
> > all previously-congested queues well before they start to run empty.
> 
> When queue is not congested (in which case congestion_wait is not
> necessary), the congestion_wait() degrades io submission speed to near
> io completion speed.
> 
> > > > > > If a device has more than a queue's worth of dirty data then we'll
> > > > > > probably leave some of that dirty memory un-queued, so there's some
> > > > > > lack of concurrency in that situation.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Good insight.
> > > > 
> > > > It was wrong.  See the other email.
> > > 
> > > No your first insight is correct. Because the (unnecessary) teeny
> > > sleeps is independent of the A=>B=>C traversing order. Only queue
> > > congestion could help skip A.
> > 
> > The sleeps are completely necessary!  Otherwise we end up busywaiting.
> > 
> > After the sleep we repoll all queues.
> 
> I mean, it is not always necessary. Only when _all_ superblocks cannot
> writeback their inodes (eg. all in congestion), we should wait.
> 
> Just before Jens' work, I had patch to convert
> 
> -                       if (wbc.encountered_congestion || wbc.more_io)
> -                               congestion_wait(WRITE, HZ/10);
> -                       else
> -                               break;
> 
> to
> 
> +       if (wbc->encountered_congestion && wbc->nr_to_write == MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES)
> +               congestion_wait(WRITE, HZ/10);
> 
> Note that wbc->encountered_congestion only means "at least one bdi
> encountered congestion". We may still make progress in other bdis
> hence should not sleep.
Hi,
encountered_congestion only is checked when nr_to_write > 0, if some superblocks
aren't congestions, nr_to_write should be 0, right?

Thanks,
Shaohua
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