linux-kernel - Re: newidle balancing in NUMA domain?

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Message-ID: <28f2fcbc0911240924r708202cdx8bc7b465d473f283@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:24:26 -0800
From:	Jason Garrett-Glaser <darkshikari@...il.com>
To:	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: newidle balancing in NUMA domain?

> Quite a few being one test case, and on a program with a horrible
> parallelism design (rapid heavy weight forks to distribute small
> units of work).

> If x264 is declared dainbramaged, that's fine with me too.

We did multiple benchmarks using a thread pool and it did not help.
If you want to declare our app "braindamaged", feel free, but pooling
threads to avoid re-creation gave no benefit whatsoever.  If you think
the parallelism methodology is wrong as a whole, you're basically
saying that Linux shouldn't be used for video compression, because
this is the exact same threading model used by almost every single
video encoder ever made.  There are actually a few that use
slice-based threading, but those are actually even worse from your
perspective, because slice-based threading spawns mulitple threads PER
FRAME instead of one per frame.

Because of the inter-frame dependencies in video coding it is
impossible to efficiently get a granularity of more than one thread
per frame.  Pooling threads doesn't change the fact that you are
conceptually creating a thread for each frame--it just eliminates the
pthread_create call.  In theory you could do one thread per group of
frames, but that is completely unrealistic for real-time encoding
(e.g. streaming), requires a catastrophically large amount of memory,
makes it impossible to track the bit buffer, and all other sorts of
bad stuff.

Jason Garrett-Glaser
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