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Date:	Tue, 9 Mar 2010 18:46:33 +1000
From:	Dave Airlie <airlied@...il.com>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Kyle McMartin <kyle@...artin.ca>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@....linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Upstream first policy

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> wrote:
>
> * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Alan Cox wrote:
>> >
>> > man restorecond
>>
>> I know. I also sometimes sit through minutes of "let's relabel the system,
>> because you've booted a kernel without selinux support".
>
> I've had selinux relabeling wait times of an hour or two too, on a
> sufficiently large filesystem.
>
> I think this hurts security far more than anything else, because it causes
> people to actually _turn off the whole thing_ - so we will have less and less
> security in the end.
>
> ( To use the obligatory fire door analogy: we should prefer a one inch thick
>  fire door that opens and closes fully automated to a five inches thick fire
>  door that people keep always-open with a chair. )

selinux relabels are the new fsck.

maybe we need selinux3 or chunk-selinux.

Dave.
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