linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] hangcheck-timer is broken on x86

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Message-ID: <1269824436.1880.2.camel@work-vm>
Date:	Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:00:36 -0700
From:	john stultz <johnstul@...ibm.com>
To:	Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@...cle.com>
Cc:	Yury Polyanskiy <ypolyans@...nceton.edu>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>,
	Jan Glauber <jan.glauber@...ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] hangcheck-timer is broken on x86

On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 14:46 -0700, Joel Becker wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:36:11PM -0400, Yury Polyanskiy wrote:
> > Second, and more importantly, loops_per_jiffy has little to do with the conversion from the
> > the time scale of get_cycles() (aka rdtsc) to the time scale of jiffies.
> 
> 	It used to!  Fundamentally, of course, we didn't have a
> monotonic clock everywhere that satisfied hangcheck-timer's needs.  So
> we had to use different approaches on different architectures.
> 
> > @@ -130,7 +129,9 @@ extern unsigned long long monotonic_clock(void);
> >  #else
> >  static inline unsigned long long monotonic_clock(void)
> >  {
> > -	return get_cycles();
> > +	struct timespec ts;
> > +	getrawmonotonic(&ts);
> > +	return timespec_to_ns(&ts);
> >  }
> >  #endif  /* HAVE_MONOTONIC */
> 
> 	I have two questions:
> 
> 1) Does getrawmonotonic() satisfy hangcheck-timer?  What I mean is, will
> it always return the wallclock nanoseconds even in the face of CPU speed
> changes, suspend, udelay, or any other suspension of kernel operation?
> Yes, I know this is a tougher standard than rdtsc(), but this is what
> hangcheck-timer wants.  rdtsc() at least satisfied udelay and PCI hangs.

getrawmonotonic() can be stalled and will wrap on some hardware (acpi pm
timer wraps every 5 seconds).

I think the read_persistent_clock() is really what you want to use here.
On arches that do not support it, it returns 0 every time. 

thanks
-john



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