Date:	Tue, 11 May 2010 09:15:02 -0400
From:	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@...hat.com>
To:	Kiyoshi Ueda <k-ueda@...jp.nec.com>
Cc:	dm-devel@...hat.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>,
	"Jun'ichi Nomura" <j-nomura@...jp.nec.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com>,
	Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@...e.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] dm: only initialize full request_queue for
 request-based device

On Tue, May 11 2010 at 12:23am -0400,
Kiyoshi Ueda <k-ueda@...jp.nec.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> On 05/11/2010 07:55 AM +0900, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > Revert back to only allocating a minimalist request_queue structure
> > initially (needed for both bio and request-based DM).  Initialization of
> > a full request_queue (request_fn, elevator, etc) is deferred until it is
> > known that the DM device is request-based.
> 
> Thank you for working on this.
> However, I still disagree with this patch as we discussed on this thread:
> http://marc.info/?t=124990138700003&r=1&w=2
> (Exporting a part of queue's features may cause some maintenance costs
>  in future.)

Thanks for the reference.  I completely forgot about that thread (even
though I responded to Nikanth's patches in detail! :)

It is clear we need to resolve the current full request_queue
initialization that occurs even for bio-based DM devices.

I believe the 2 patches I posted accomplish this in a stright-forward
way.  We can always improve on it (by looking at what you proposed
below) but we need a minimlaist fix that doesn't depend on userspace
LVM2 changes right now.

Interestingly, having to revisit this issue (forgetting that this line
of work was already explored) I came up with roughly the same type of
change to the block layer as Nikanth's 1/2 patch.  The difference being
my blk_init_allocated_queue is more minimalist because the block code
has evolved to allow this change to be more natural.

Similarly, my proposed DM changes are also quite natural.  By using
dm_table_set_type() as the hook to initialize the request-based DM
device's elevator we perform allocations during table load.

Having just looked at Nikanth's proposed DM patch 2/2 again it shows
that blk_init_allocated_queue(), which allocates memory, was being
called during resume (dm_swap_table).  Allocations are not allowed
during resume.

> As I mentioned on the last email of the thread above (see below),
> specifying device type at the device creation time by userspace tools
> should make dm code very simple.  So that may be a better approach.
> 
> > By the way, another approach to optimizing the memory usage would be
> > to determine whether the dm device is bio-based or request-based
> > at the device creation time, instead of the table binding time.
> > We want the delayed allocation, since kernel can't decide the device
> > type until the first table is bound because of the auto-detection
> > mechanism.  The auto-detection is good for keeping compatibility with
> > existing user-space tools.  But once user-space tools are changed to
> > specify device type at the device creation time, we can eventually
> > remove the auto-detection.
> > Then, kernel can decide device type in alloc_dev(), so
> > the initialization code in kernel will become very simple.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kiyoshi Ueda
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