linux-kernel - Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)

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Message-Id: <201005142350.01222.rjw@sisk.pl>
Date:	Fri, 14 May 2010 23:50:01 +0200
From:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
To:	Kevin Hilman <khilman@...prootsystems.com>
Cc:	Tony Lindgren <tony@...mide.com>, Matthew Garrett <mjg@...hat.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul@...an.com>,
	Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@...roid.com>,
	"Linux-pm mailing list" <linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	magnus.damm@...il.com, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>,
	mark gross <mgross@...ux.intel.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Geoff Smith <geoffx.smith@...el.com>,
	Brian Swetland <swetland@...gle.com>,
	Benoît Cousson <b-cousson@...com>,
	linux-omap@...r.kernel.org, Vitaly Wool <vitalywool@...il.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@...nsource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Liam Girdwood <lrg@...mlogic.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)

On Friday 14 May 2010, Kevin Hilman wrote:
> Kevin Hilman <khilman@...prootsystems.com> writes:
> 
> > "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl> writes:
> >
> >> On Thursday 13 May 2010, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> >>> * Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...k.pl> [100513 14:16]:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >>>  
> >>> > It solves a practical issue that _at_ _the_ _moment_ cannot be solved
> >>> > differently, while there's a growing number of out-of-tree drivers depending
> >>> > on this framework.  We need those drivers in and because we don't have any
> >>> > viable alternative at hand, we have no good reason to reject it.
> >>> 
> >>> Nothing is preventing merging the drivers can be merged without
> >>> these calls.
> >>
> >> And yet, there _is_ a growing nuber of drivers that don't get merge because
> >> of that.  That's _reality_.  Are you going to discuss with facts, or what?
> >
> > It may be reality, but IMO, "preventing other drivers" isn't a good
> > *technical* argument for merging a feature.  It feels like these "for
> > the 'good' of the community" arguments are being used to trump the
> > technical arguments.  Maybe we need to keep the separate.
> 
> To continue along the "for the good of the community" path...
> 
> If it truly is the lack of a suspend blocker API that is preventing
> the merge of these out of tree drivers, I second Mark's proposal[1] to
> merge a noop version of the API while the technical issues continue to
> be discussed.

I'm against that, sorry.

> Then we would see how many drivers get submitted and merged.
>
> Personally, I suspect that lack of this feature is not the real
> obstacle to getting these out-of-tree drivers upstream.  Having this
> API upstream will not change the product schedules and corporate
> cultures that have prevented code from making its way upstream.

But apparently it is considered as a suitable excuse.

Rafael
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