linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 0/13] Uprobes v4

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Date:	Wed, 19 May 2010 10:15:00 -0400
From:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
To:	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...hat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@....ul.ie>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...otime.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@...hat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@...ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Mark Wielaard <mjw@...hat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Jim Keniston <jkenisto@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@...hat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dominique Toupin <dominique.toupin@...csson.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/13] Uprobes v4

* Srikar Dronamraju (srikar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > * Srikar Dronamraju (srikar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > > Uprobes Patches
> > > 
> > > Changelog from v3:
> > >   - Reverted to background page replacement as suggested by Peter Zijlstra.
> > 
> > Why ?
> > 
> > I'm not sure we reached any concensus about the need for a background page
> > replacement.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Mathieu
> > 
> 
> I was tested with access_process_vm(previous patchset) and the current
> (background page replacement) and the results are the same. 
> 
> However Peter Zijlstra's contention still stands that we might be
> relying on a undocumented feature in the hardware

The access_process_vm scheme is in many ways similar to what kprobes has been
doing for years. So I would not rely on that as a primary argument against
the access_process_vm approach.

> and the flipping the
> pages isnt that hard or expensive.
> 
> Even Linus, (http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/1/27/87) had shown inclination
> towards background page replacement. 
> 
> Also when uprobes implements global tracing support (i.e probing a
> particular symbol in a dso across processes), it has to rely on
> background page replacement. 

Ah OK. If you have to use page replacement for global tracing, I see that as a
good argument for using page replacement everywhere.

> 
> Hence I based this patchset on background page replacement rather than
> on access_process_vm. Later On, if there is a consensus on using
> access_process_vm, we can make the corresponding changes.

Well, page replacement seems like a good way to support global tracing, so I
doubt that we'll ever revert back to access_process_vm.

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 
> --
> Thanks and Regards
> Srikar

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
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