linux-kernel - Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)

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Message-ID: <20100520044926.GB6773@nokia.com>
Date:	Thu, 20 May 2010 07:49:26 +0300
From:	Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@...ia.com>
To:	"ext Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
Cc:	"Balbi Felipe (Nokia-D/Helsinki)" <felipe.balbi@...ia.com>,
	ext James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...e.de>,
	"me@...ipebalbi.com" <me@...ipebalbi.com>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@...prootsystems.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
	"linux-omap@...r.kernel.org" <linux-omap@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>,
	Geoff Smith <geoffx.smith@...el.com>,
	Brian Swetland <swetland@...gle.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@...nsource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Liam Girdwood <lrg@...mlogic.co.uk>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg@...hat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)

Hi,

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:42:55PM +0200, ext Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>Please note that this approach is not too practical for vendors who ship
>systems like cell phones to the general public.

yeah, tell me about it :-p

during development on MeeGo devices we try to tackle down as much as 
possible the use_time offenders and start by filing bugs to those apps, 
instead of fixing their issues in kernel space.

if suspend_blockers could at least be transparent to applications, then 
it wouldn't be the best scenario but at least applications wouldn't have 
to be specially written to support that. And like I said, if anyone can 
hold a suspend_blocker forever the idea of "improving use_time" is easy 
to break, but then someone replied "anyone holding a suspend_blocker 
will show up in UI", and again I say you don't need suspend_blockers to 
have a fancy UI showing which processes are waking up the processor. 
Powertop already gathers that information, you just need to make a fancy 
UI around it.

-- 
balbi

DefectiveByDesign.org
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