linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] [PATCH] allow low HZ values?

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Message-ID: <1286836212.5220.19.camel@pasglop>
Date:	Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:30:12 +1100
From:	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>
To:	Tim Pepper <lnxninja@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, x86@...nel.org,
	Marcio Saito <marcio@...lades.com>,
	Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@...il.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org, John Stultz <johnstul@...ibm.com>,
	Avantika Mathur <mathur@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] allow low HZ values?

On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:11 -0700, Tim Pepper wrote:
> I'm not necessarily wanting to open up the age old question of "what is
> a good HZ", but we were doing some testing on timer tick overheads for
> HPC applications and this came up...

Note that this is also very useful when working on CPU prototypes
implemented in FPGAs and running at something like 12Mhz :-)

Cheers,
Ben.

> Below is a minimal hack at enabling lower HZ values.  The kernel builds
> and boots for me on x86_64 (simple laptop and kvm configs) and ppc64
> (misc. IBM System p) with each of the added HZ options.
> 
> There's explicit code checking HZ down to 12, but HZ<100 wasn't a config
> option.  We collected some data at 10, 12 and 25.  There'd been some
> question of whether 10 would even work or not but it looks fine in the
> relatively minimal testing we did.  We tried 12 since the code seemed
> to allow for it.  And 25 as a "safe" lower value.  The only difference
> observed under load (ie: no no idle HZ in play) was the expected timer
> tick happening less often.  There was definitely surprise that nothing
> else seemed to break anywhere, especially at 10.
> 
> Do people feel it is reasonable to have Kconfig bits to allow some lower
> HZ values?
> 
> If so, then there's the question of what breaks.  It's reasonable to
> think there are other going to be subtleties buried in code around
> assumptions on the likely range of HZ:
> 
> - I'm not sure that what I did in inet_timewait_sock.h and jiffies.h is
>   reasonable.
> - arch/x86/kernel/i8253.c throws a warning at line 43 (v2.6.36-rc7):
>       warning: large integer implicitly truncated to unsigned type
> - drivers/char/cyclades.c's cy_ioctl() warns:
>       drivers/char/cyclades.c:2761: warning: division by zero
> - drivers, drivers, drivers across all the arch's could use sanity checking
> 


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