linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86: Cleanup TIF value gaps in shift range

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Message-ID: <4CBCBBFC.1090500@zytor.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:28:28 -0700
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
CC:	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86: Cleanup TIF value gaps in shift range

On 10/18/2010 02:23 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010, David Rientjes wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>>
>>> 9, 19 and 26 values are missing from the TIF shift range, probably
>>> due to flags that were removed by the past. Now repack the range
>>> so that we can quickly retrieve the remaining free shift slots.
>>>
>>> But take care of keeping the seperation between high and low bits
>>> as some masks are created on top of this boundary.
>>>
>>
>> What's the benefit of doing this?
>>
>> These flags are exported to userspace through SysRq-T, SysRq+W, the hung 
>> task detector, and the rcu stall detector, so there may be external 
>> dependencies testing for these bits.
>>
>> We use this to look for TIF_MEMDIE to determine whether an oom killed task 
>> has failed to exit and becomes hung after having access to memory 
>> reserves, and that's one of the bits you've changed here.
> 
> I agree in general, but this is stupid as hell. No fcking interface
> should exposed kernel internal flag bits just as hex values and no
> fcking luser space should rely on it to be a subject of no change.
> 
> Seriously, if we can't even change TIF_* bits anymore then we are
> doing something wrong. That's a pure kernel internal affair and
> subject to change.
> 

The problem is that someone exports something as debugging information,
then someone else suddenly thinks it's an ABI.  I believe the same
complainant in the past has objected to changing of formatting in dmesg,
which is equally insane.

	-hpa
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