linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 00/10] mm: Linux VM Infrastructure to support Memory Power Management

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Message-Id: <20110616181251.caf484b6.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Date:	Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:12:51 +0900
From:	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>
To:	Ankita Garg <ankita@...ibm.com>
Cc:	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	svaidy@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, thomas.abraham@...aro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] mm: Linux VM Infrastructure to support Memory
 Power Management

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:50:44 +0530
Ankita Garg <ankita@...ibm.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 01:47:01PM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 May 2011 18:01:28 +0530
> > Ankita Garg <ankita@...ibm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm sorry if you've answered already.
> > 
> > Is memory hotplug is too bad and cannot be enhanced for this purpose ?
> > 
> > I wonder
> >   - make section-size smaller (IIUC, IBM's system has 16MB section size)
> > 
> >   - add per section statistics
> > 
> >   - add a kind of balloon driver which does software memory offline
> >     (which means making a contiguous chunk of free pages of section_size
> >      by page migration) in background with regard to memory usage statistics.
> >     If system says "need more memory!", balloon driver can online pages.
> > 
> > can work for your purpose. It can allow you page isolatation and
> > controls in 16MB unit.  If you need whole rework of memory hotplug, I think
> > it's better to rewrite memory hotplug, too.
> >
> 
> Interesting idea, but a few issues -
> 
> - Correctly predicting memory pressure is difficult and thereby being
>   able to online the required pages at the right time could be a
>   challenge

But it will be required for your purpose, anyway. Isn't it ?

> - Memory hotplug is a heavy operation, so the overhead involved may be
>   high

soft-offline of small amount of pages will not very heavy.
compaction and cma patches use the same kind of logic.


> - Powering off memory is just one of the ways in which memory power could
>   be saved. The platform can also dynamically transition areas of memory
>   into a  content-preserving lower power state if it is not referenced
>   for a pre-defined threshold of time. In such a case, we would need a
>   mechanism to soft offline the pages - i.e, no new allocations to be
>   directed to that memory
> 

Hmm, sounds like a similar idea of CleanCache ?

Reusing section is much easier than adding new one.., I think.

Thanks,
-Kame




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