Message-id: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106191732440.2142@xanadu.home>
Date:	Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:39:33 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Nicolas Pitre <nico@...xnic.net>
To:	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>
Cc:	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>, gregkh@...e.de,
	linux-usb@...r.kernel.org, lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Rabin Vincent <rabin@....in>,
	Alexander Holler <holler@...oftware.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the
 packed attribute

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

> On Sunday 19 June 2011 21:00:01 Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 16 June 2011 22:10:53 Alexander Holler wrote:
> > > > At least I would be happier without the patch. I'm trying to convince
> > > > people to not use these attributes unless required because too much
> > > > harm is done when they are used without understanding the full
> > > > consequences. I also recommend using __packed as localized as possible,
> > > > i.e. set it for the members that need it, not the entire struct.
> > > > 
> > > > I agree that your patch is harmless, it's just the opposite of
> > > > a cleanup in my opinion.
> > > 
> > > The question is: does the structure really has to be packed?
> > 
> > What do you mean?  The structure really does need to be allocated
> > without padding between the fields; is that the same thing?  So do a
> > bunch of other structures that currently have no annotations at all.
> 
> I guess the issue is that some ABIs actually require a minimum alignment,
> like the old ARM ABI that you can still use to build the kernel.
> 
> If a structure is not a multiple of four bytes in size, that ABI
> will add padding at the end, e.g. in
> 
> struct s {
> 	char c[2];
> };
> 
> struct t {
> 	struct s t1;
> 	unsigned short t2[3];
> };
> 
> On most architectures, struct s will be two bytes in size and one byte
> aligned, while struct t is eight bytes and two byte aligned.
> 
> On ARM oABI, struct s ends up with four byte size and alignment while
> struct t is twelve bytes long. All this is ok for regular structures,
> but not when they are used to describe memory layout of hardware
> registers on on-wire packets.

Agreed.  Is that the case with EHCI though?  In your example, you'd have 
to mark that structure as packed,aligned(2).

> > > If it does, then the follow-up question is: is a packing on word 
> > > boundaries sufficient?
> > 
> > > If the answer is yes in both cases, then having packed,aligned(4) is not 
> > > a frivolity but rather a correctness issue.
> > 
> > Why so?  Current systems work just fine without it.
> 
> I think Nicolas got it backwards here, adding both packed and
> aligned(4) would make a structure like the one above consistently
> incorrect when used to describe a tightly packed hardware structure.

I didn't look at the details, but your example above requires 
aligned(2).  That tells the compiler that it may use instructions to 
access the data (or hardware) that are up to 2-byte wide (on ARM that 
means STRh/LDRH) for the data of that width instead of the byte per byte 
loads.



> 
> In this case, we would have to do
> 
> struct s {
> 	char c[2];
> } __packed;
> 
> struct t {
> 	struct s t1;
> 	unsigned short t2[3] __aligned(2);
> } __packed;
> 
> To tell the compiler that t2 is indeed aligned, while struct t
> is packed to include no padding around t.

... and give the aligned(2) attribute to struct t so those shorts are 
accessed with a 16-bit wide load/store not byte loads/stores.


Nicolas
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