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Date:	Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:00:42 +0000
From:	Pedro Alves <pedro@...esourcery.com>
To:	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@...allels.com>
Cc:	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@...il.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Andrew Vagin <avagin@...nvz.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@...onical.com>,
	Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@...nwall.com>
Subject: Re: [rfc 2/3] fs, proc: Introduce the Children: line in /proc/<pid>/status

On Friday 02 December 2011 13:52:43, Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
> On 12/02/2011 05:44 PM, Pedro Alves wrote:
> > On Friday 02 December 2011 13:16:52, Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
> >> On 12/02/2011 04:58 PM, Pedro Alves wrote:
> >>> On Friday 02 December 2011 12:43:10, Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>> Yes, I like /children file. other points seems to be pointed out by other
> >>>>>> reviewers. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any reason this is a file instead of a directory like /proc/PID/task/ ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> $ sudo ls /proc/8167/task/
> >>>>> 8167  854  855  856  857  858  859
> >>>>> $ sudo ls /proc/8167/task/855/
> >>>>> attr    clear_refs  cpuset   exe     io       loginuid  mountinfo  oom_adj        pagemap      sched      smaps  statm    wchan
> >>>>> auxv    cmdline     cwd      fd      latency  maps      mounts     oom_score      personality  schedstat  stack  status
> >>>>> cgroup  comm        environ  fdinfo  limits   mem       numa_maps  oom_score_adj  root         sessionid  stat   syscall
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Much easier to follow the chain from the command line this way.
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you propose to put into these directories? Another directories named with
> >>>> children pid-s?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, just like the task/ dir gives you directories named with the
> >>> processes's thread ids.  Opening /proc/PID/children/PID-CHILD1/ would get
> >>> you the same as opening /proc/PID-CHILD1/.  Just like
> >>> opening /proc/PID/task/PID-CHILD1/ gets you (almost) the same as opening
> >>> /proc/PID-CHILD1/.
> >>
> >> You cannot make the dentry named /proc/<pid1>/children/<pid2> be a hardlink on
> >> the /proc/<pid2>. Thus you have to make arbitrary amount of inodes to point to
> >> a single task. This brings unnecessary complexity and memory usage (by dentries
> >> and proc inodes).
> > 
> > How is this different from the _already existing_ /proc/<pid1>/task/ directory?
> 
> Those living in /proc/<pid1>/task do not live in /proc. At all. This explains
> everything below.

Well, except they do, and it doesn't.  The're not visible when
listing /proc/, but they're there.  Try it.

$ls /proc/ | grep 854

(empty)

$ ls /proc/8167/task/854
attr    clear_refs  cpuset   exe     io       loginuid  mountinfo  oom_adj        pagemap      sched      smaps  statm    wchan
auxv    cmdline     cwd      fd      latency  maps      mounts     oom_score      personality  schedstat  stack  status
cgroup  comm        environ  fdinfo  limits   mem       numa_maps  oom_score_adj  root         sessionid  stat   syscall

$ls /proc/854/
attr       cgroup      comm             cwd      fd      latency   maps       mounts      numa_maps  oom_score_adj  root       sessionid  stat    syscall
autogroup  clear_refs  coredump_filter  environ  fdinfo  limits    mem        mountstats  oom_adj    pagemap        sched      smaps      statm   task
auxv       cmdline     cpuset           exe      io      loginuid  mountinfo  net         oom_score  personality    schedstat  stack      status  wchan

-- 
Pedro Alves
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