linux-kernel - Re: [RFC,PATCH 1/2] seccomp_filters: system call filtering using BPF

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Date:	Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:12:11 -0600
From:	Will Drewry <wad@...omium.org>
To:	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC,PATCH 1/2] seccomp_filters: system call filtering using BPF

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Will Drewry <wad@...omium.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Will Drewry <wad@...omium.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com> wrote:
>>> On 01/12, Will Drewry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com> wrote:
>>>> > On 01/12, Will Drewry wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> +      */
>>>> >> >> +     regs = seccomp_get_regs(regs_tmp, &regs_size);
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Stupid question. I am sure you know what are you doing ;) and I know
>>>> >> > nothing about !x86 arches.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > But could you explain why it is designed to use user_regs_struct ?
>>>> >> > Why we can't simply use task_pt_regs() and avoid the (costly) regsets?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So on x86 32, it would work since user_regs_struct == task_pt_regs
>>>> >> (iirc), but on x86-64
>>>> >> and others, that's not true.
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes sure, I meant that userpace should use pt_regs too.
>>>> >
>>>> >> If it would be appropriate to expose pt_regs to userspace, then I'd
>>>> >> happily do so :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Ah, so that was the reason. But it is already exported? At least I see
>>>> > the "#ifndef __KERNEL__" definition in arch/x86/include/asm/ptrace.h.
>>>> >
>>>> > Once again, I am not arguing, just trying to understand. And I do not
>>>> > know if this definition is part of abi.
>>>>
>>>> I don't either :/  My original idea was to operate on task_pt_regs(current),
>>>> but I noticed that PTRACE_GETREGS/SETREGS only uses the
>>>> user_regs_struct. So I went that route.
>>>
>>> Well, I don't know where user_regs_struct come from initially. But
>>> probably it is needed to allow to access the "artificial" things like
>>> fs_base. Or perhaps this struct mimics the layout in the coredump.
>>
>> Not sure - added Roland whose name was on many of the files :)
>>
>> I just noticed that ptrace ABI allows pt_regs access using the register
>> macros (PTRACE_PEEKUSR) and user_regs_struct access (PTRACE_GETREGS).
>>
>> But I think the latter is guaranteed to have a certain layout while the macros
>> for PEEKUSR can do post-processing fixup.  (Which could be done in the
>> bpf evaluator load_pointer() helper if needed.)
>>
>>>> I'd love for pt_regs to be fair game to cut down on the copying!
>>>
>>> Me too. I see no point in using user_regs_struct.
>>
>> I'll rev the change to use pt_regs and drop all the helper code.  If
>> no one says otherwise, that certainly seems ideal from a performance
>> perspective, and I see pt_regs exported to userland along with ptrace
>> abi register offset macros.
>
> On second thought, pt_regs is scary :)
>
> From looking at
>  http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v3.2.1/arch/x86/include/asm/syscall.h#L97
> and ia32syscall enty code, it appears that for x86, at least, the
> pt_regs for compat processes will be 8 bytes wide per register on the
> stack.  This means if a self-filtering 32-bit program runs on a 64-bit host in
> IA32_EMU, its filters will always index into pt_regs incorrectly.
>
> I'm not 100% that I am reading the code right, but it means that I can either
> keep using user_regs_struct or fork the code behavior based on compat. That
> would need to be arch dependent then which is pretty rough.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> I'll do a v5 rev for Eric's comments soon, but I'm not quite sure
> about the pt_regs
> change yet.  If the performance boost is worth the effort of having a
> per-arch fixup,
> I can go that route.  Otherwise, I could look at some alternate approach for a
> faster-than-regview payload.

Ugh. Sorry about the formatting. (The other option is to disallow compat ;).

cheers!
will
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