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Date:	Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:17:41 -0800
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	Stefani Seibold <stefani@...bold.net>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
CC:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, x86@...nel.org, tglx@...utronix.de,
	mingo@...hat.com, ak@...ux.intel.com, aarcange@...hat.com,
	john.stultz@...aro.org, xemul@...allels.com, gorcunov@...nvz.org,
	andriy.shevchenko@...ux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] Add 32 bit VDSO support for 32 and 64 bit kernels

The whole point is to avoid fixed addresses.  We already install a list of pages as the vdso; the vvar and hpet pages can simply be part of that list.

Stefani Seibold <stefani@...bold.net> wrote:

>Am Dienstag, den 18.12.2012, 12:37 -0800 schrieb Andy Lutomirski:
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Stefani Seibold
><stefani@...bold.net> wrote:
>> > Am Dienstag, den 18.12.2012, 10:44 -0800 schrieb H. Peter Anvin:
>> >> On 12/18/2012 08:52 AM, Stefani Seibold wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Pardon, i never disregarded nor i have agreed that this is going
>to be a
>> >> > part of the VDSO. I currently have also no idea how to do this
>and i see
>> >> > no need at the moment to do this revamp. The 64 bit VDSO lives
>since
>> >> > more than 6 years with this kind of implementation.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> It was part of this discussion thread, about how to best manage
>the
>> >> address space.  Fixed addresses are a major problem, and
>introducing new
>> >> ones are extremely undesirable.
>> >>
>> >
>> > There is no introduce of new fix address. There are still there for
>> > x86_64. If this will currently not a major problem on this
>architecture
>> > than it will not for x86_32 too.
>> 
>> Not necessarily true.  On x86-64 (non-compat) the fixmap address is
>in
>> kernel space (high bit set), so it can't conflict with anything in
>> user space.  On true 32-bit mode, the same applies.  In compat mode,
>> the fixed address is in *user* space and might conflict with existing
>> uses.
>> 
>> >
>> >> Hence I wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > IMO it seems this is making it way more complicated than it is.
>Just
>> >> > make sure you have a section in the vdso where you can map in a
>data
>> >> > page with the symbols in the right offsets. Extra points for
>doing
>> >> > magic so that it is at the beginning or end, but I think that
>might
>> >> > be harder than necessary.
>> >>
>> >> Basically, make the vvar and hpet pages part of the vdso page
>list.
>> >> Optionally they can be mapped without the MAYWRITE option -- in
>fact, we
>> >> could easily split the vdso into an executable area which gets
>MAYWRITE
>> >> to be able to set breakpoints and a data area which doesn't -- but
>that
>> >> is a minor tweak IMO.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I see the benefits, but it will not work under all circumstance.
>The
>> > VDSO compat mode for x86_32 requires a fix address and there is no
>room
>> > behind this. So since this must preserved, i see no real gain for
>this.
>> 
>> Not true.  It can be mapped with the vdso at a variable address using
>> GOTOFF addressing.  See my earlier email with
>> __attribute__((visibility("hidden")).
>> 
>> --Andy
>
>I am not sure that we talking about the same.
>
>In a 32 bit kernel a VDSO can mapped on an fix address VDSO_HIGH_BASE
>(kernel parameter vdso32=2 or CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO), which is 0xffffe000.
>There is no available page before nor after this page, so there is no
>space for a multi page VDSO.
>
>The only way i see is to do this is a test in the vdso_...() functions
>for running on this address and than access the old fixmap addresses
>for
>VVAR and HPET. This can be done for example by a tweaking macro.
>
>If this is okay, i can do it. Otherwise i have no idea how to.
>
>- Stefani

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