linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 6/6] Add 32 bit VDSO support for 32 and 64 bit kernels

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <1356025992.25530.1.camel@wall-e>
Date:	Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:53:12 +0100
From:	Stefani Seibold <stefani@...bold.net>
To:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
Cc:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, x86@...nel.org, tglx@...utronix.de,
	mingo@...hat.com, ak@...ux.intel.com, aarcange@...hat.com,
	john.stultz@...aro.org, xemul@...allels.com, gorcunov@...nvz.org,
	andriy.shevchenko@...ux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] Add 32 bit VDSO support for 32 and 64 bit kernels

Am Donnerstag, den 20.12.2012, 08:17 -0800 schrieb H. Peter Anvin:
> The whole point is to avoid fixed addresses.  We already install a list of pages as the vdso; the vvar and hpet pages can simply be part of that list.
> 

It would be great if you can give me a answer for my question. Again:

In a 32 bit kernel a VDSO can mapped on an fix address VDSO_HIGH_BASE
(kernel parameter vdso32=2 or CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO), which is 0xffffe000.
There is no available page BEFORE nor AFTER the page, so it is not
possible to have VVAR or HPET as a part of that list!!!!

> Stefani Seibold <stefani@...bold.net> wrote:
> 
> >Am Dienstag, den 18.12.2012, 12:37 -0800 schrieb Andy Lutomirski:
> >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Stefani Seibold
> ><stefani@...bold.net> wrote:
> >> > Am Dienstag, den 18.12.2012, 10:44 -0800 schrieb H. Peter Anvin:
> >> >> On 12/18/2012 08:52 AM, Stefani Seibold wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Pardon, i never disregarded nor i have agreed that this is going
> >to be a
> >> >> > part of the VDSO. I currently have also no idea how to do this
> >and i see
> >> >> > no need at the moment to do this revamp. The 64 bit VDSO lives
> >since
> >> >> > more than 6 years with this kind of implementation.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> It was part of this discussion thread, about how to best manage
> >the
> >> >> address space.  Fixed addresses are a major problem, and
> >introducing new
> >> >> ones are extremely undesirable.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > There is no introduce of new fix address. There are still there for
> >> > x86_64. If this will currently not a major problem on this
> >architecture
> >> > than it will not for x86_32 too.
> >> 
> >> Not necessarily true.  On x86-64 (non-compat) the fixmap address is
> >in
> >> kernel space (high bit set), so it can't conflict with anything in
> >> user space.  On true 32-bit mode, the same applies.  In compat mode,
> >> the fixed address is in *user* space and might conflict with existing
> >> uses.
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >> Hence I wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > IMO it seems this is making it way more complicated than it is.
> >Just
> >> >> > make sure you have a section in the vdso where you can map in a
> >data
> >> >> > page with the symbols in the right offsets. Extra points for
> >doing
> >> >> > magic so that it is at the beginning or end, but I think that
> >might
> >> >> > be harder than necessary.
> >> >>
> >> >> Basically, make the vvar and hpet pages part of the vdso page
> >list.
> >> >> Optionally they can be mapped without the MAYWRITE option -- in
> >fact, we
> >> >> could easily split the vdso into an executable area which gets
> >MAYWRITE
> >> >> to be able to set breakpoints and a data area which doesn't -- but
> >that
> >> >> is a minor tweak IMO.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I see the benefits, but it will not work under all circumstance.
> >The
> >> > VDSO compat mode for x86_32 requires a fix address and there is no
> >room
> >> > behind this. So since this must preserved, i see no real gain for
> >this.
> >> 
> >> Not true.  It can be mapped with the vdso at a variable address using
> >> GOTOFF addressing.  See my earlier email with
> >> __attribute__((visibility("hidden")).
> >> 
> >> --Andy
> >
> >I am not sure that we talking about the same.
> >
> >In a 32 bit kernel a VDSO can mapped on an fix address VDSO_HIGH_BASE
> >(kernel parameter vdso32=2 or CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO), which is 0xffffe000.
> >There is no available page before nor after this page, so there is no
> >space for a multi page VDSO.
> >
> >The only way i see is to do this is a test in the vdso_...() functions
> >for running on this address and than access the old fixmap addresses
> >for
> >VVAR and HPET. This can be done for example by a tweaking macro.
> >
> >If this is okay, i can do it. Otherwise i have no idea how to.
> >
> >- Stefani
> 


--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/