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Date:	Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:17:35 +0800
From:	Barry Song <21cnbao@...il.com>
To:	Olof Johansson <olof@...om.net>
Cc:	"jonsmirl@...il.com" <jonsmirl@...il.com>,
	devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@...abs.org>,
	"luke.leighton" <luke.leighton@...il.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	debian-arm <debian-arm@...ts.debian.org>,
	Linux on small ARM machines 
	<arm-netbook@...ts.phcomp.co.uk>,
	ARM Linux Mailing List <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
	debian-kernel <debian-kernel@...ts.debian.org>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re:
 Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013/6/7 Olof Johansson <olof@...om.net>:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsmirl@...il.com <jonsmirl@...il.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton <luke.leighton@...il.com> wrote:
>>>  augh.  ok.  solutions.  what are the solutions here?
>>
>> Luke if you really want to fix this a good solution is to have
>> Allwinner join Linaro and provide an engineer to the Linaro effort.
>> That engineer will get educated on the right way to do kernel
>> development and he can pass that knowledge back to Allwinner each day
>> as he learns it.
>
> There's no need for anybody to join Linaro to contribute upstream.
> That's a crazy notion.

i do agree. i don't think there is any direct relationship between
linaro and upstream.
otherwise, we will be in pain as we are not linaro member too.

>
> Listen, Allwinner isn't working in a vacuum, believe it or not. I've
> talked to them, so has Arnd and other people working on ARM, including
> Maxime Ripard, who's been reimplementing upstream support for their
> platform. Everybody is interested in the right things happening, it's
> just a matter of figuring out how to do it. The right people are
> already talking.
>
>> Allwinner has expressed interest in the past in joining Linaro but the
>> price was too high. I believe there are cheaper options now for
>> joining. The benefits Allwinner receives from joining will far exceed
>> the cost of joining. The net result will likely be a reduction in the
>> amount they need to spend on in-house development since they will
>> learn how to better leverage other developer's work.
>
> Uh, you're listing the benefits of doing upstream work, not of joining Linaro.
>
>
> -Olof

thanks
barry
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