Message-ID: <51E67C77.8080107@oracle.com>
Date:	Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:13:59 +0800
From:	Jeff Liu <jeff.liu@...cle.com>
To:	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com>
CC:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>, David Lang <david@...g.hm>,
	ksummit-2013-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Olivier Galibert <galibert@...ox.com>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML

On 07/17/2013 06:58 PM, James Bottomley wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 17:15 +0800, Jeff Liu wrote:
>> On 07/17/2013 08:51 AM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 08:32 +0800, Jeff Liu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another thing might deviated from the main theme, but I'd like to raise it
>>>> here because I would like to see what's the proper way for that.
>>>>
>>>> For instance, people A posted a patch set to the mailing list at first,
>>>> people B think that there are some issues in A's implementation, and he
>>>> happened to play around the same stuff recently, so he submitted another
>>>> patch series.  Finally, people B made it.
>>>> (In that period, people A kept silent, maybe because he/she was unhappy) 
>>>>
>>>> This is a actual occurrence I once observed from a subsystem list(my
>>>> apologies, I just want to talk this case rather than against somebody),
>>>> it seems people A is a new comer(because I can not searched any past
>>>> commits of him/her from the git log), people B is definitely a senior guy.
>>>>
>>>> So that's my question, is that a proper collaboration form in kernel
>>>> community?  Does it better if people B could give some suggestions to
>>>> help A to improve the code, especially if those help would help A stepping
>>>> into the kernel development -- maybe it's depend largely on one's opinion. :(
>>>
>>> This is a completely different issue from the one in this thread, but it
>>> is also a legitimate issue and honestly, a bigger one than perceived
>>> insults.
>>>
>>> Is it proper collaboration? Absolutely not. Something that I try to be
>>> sensitive to as it's something I can do as well. There's been things on
>>> my todo list, where someone would send me patches that do it. I would be
>>> thinking "darn it, I wanted to do it" and even worse, the patches that
>>> were sent wouldn't be of the way I wanted them. But I've tried to be
>>> good, and instead of just going about and implementing it myself, I
>>> would try to help the person massage the patches into what I wanted.
>>
>> It's kind of you. Generally, most forks are nice enough in helping others.
>> Actually, I only noticed once of something like that the year before.
>> Well, I just received an offline email from my college a fews hours ago as
>> she checked this topic and unfortunately, she has experienced the same thing
>> a few days ago.
> 
> If you want a quiet investigation, I or one of the other maintainers can
> do it offline (you'll need to send the details via private email). Just
> for your information, though, I've done this sort of thing before too.
> This is probably the most egregious example:

I'll send out those info for your investigation in a little while.

Thanks,
-Jeff

 


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