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Message-ID: <1377035833.24869.57.camel@bobble.lax.corp.google.com>
Date:	Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:57:13 -0700
From:	Frank Mayhar <fmayhar@...gle.com>
To:	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@...hat.com>
Cc:	device-mapper development <dm-devel@...hat.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <msnitzer@...hat.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH] dm: Make MIN_IOS, et al, tunable via sysctl.

On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 17:47 -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Frank Mayhar wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 17:22 -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Frank Mayhar wrote:
> > > > The device mapper and some of its modules allocate memory pools at
> > > > various points when setting up a device.  In some cases, these pools are
> > > > fairly large, for example the multipath module allocates a 256-entry
> > > > pool and the dm itself allocates three of that size.  In a
> > > > memory-constrained environment where we're creating a lot of these
> > > > devices, the memory use can quickly become significant.  Unfortunately,
> > > > there's currently no way to change the size of the pools other than by
> > > > changing a constant and rebuilding the kernel.
> > > I think it would be better to set the values to some low value (1 should 
> > > be enough, there is 16 in some places that is already low enough). There 
> > > is no need to make it user-configurable, because the user will see no 
> > > additional benefit from bigger mempools.
> > > 
> > > Maybe multipath is the exception - but other dm targets don't really need 
> > > big mempools so there is no need to make the size configurable.
> > 
> > The point is not to make the mempools bigger, the point is to be able to
> > make them _smaller_ for memory-constrained environments.  In some cases,
> > even 16 can be too big, especially when creating a large number of
> > devices.
> > 
> > In any event, it seems unfortunate to me that these values are
> > hard-coded.  One shouldn't have to rebuild the kernel to change them,
> > IMHO.
> 
> So make a patch that changes 16 to 1 if it helps on your system (I'd like 
> to ask - what is the configuration where this kind of change helps?). 
> There is no need for that to be tunable, anyone can live with mempool size 
> being 1.

I reiterate:  It seems unfortunate that these values are hard-coded.  It
seems to me that a sysadmin should be able to tune them according to his
or her needs.  Particularly when the same kernel is being run on many
machines that may have different constraints; building a special kernel
for each set of constraints doesn't scale.

And as I said, it's a memory-constrained environment.
-- 
Frank Mayhar
310-460-4042

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