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Date:	Tue, 7 Jan 2014 14:44:16 -0500
From:	Liam Lindholm <liam.oskar.lindholm@...il.com>
To:	Ove Karlsen <mail@...karlsen.com>
Cc:	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.

Mr. Karlsen,

I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not
quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it
is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a
kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack.

In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave
about the Free Software Foundation's "Say LiGNUx" campaign:
http://imgur.com/a/beY7E

Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly
irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we
ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press
release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free
Software Foundation.

So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have
been acted upon.

If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with
me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains?
Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call
Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen?

Happy New Year.

Liam Oskar Lindholm,
Linux Kernel Hacker

On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen <mail@...karlsen.com> wrote:
> In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings
> are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns
> ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A
> monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where
> Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central.
>
> No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe
> that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be
> harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties
> and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not
> the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube,
> and other places.
>
> Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that
> is really what reminded me of it.
>
> Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar
> thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone
> complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles.
>
> It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols.
> And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make.
>
> This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people
> censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans
> Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think
> 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common
> online.
>
> Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as
> swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an
> idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc
>
> Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though.
>
> On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For
> instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has
> also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite
> of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting
> naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that
> element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is
> close to "for the praises of God" is it not.
>
> Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God".
> In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment.
> In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind.
> In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as
> unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states,
> God created you with the most upright nature.
>
> And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended
> by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The
> Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think
> monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been
> established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of
> any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this.
>
> And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that
> is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A
> series of random events are white noise,  equal probability for any
> frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot
> be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally
> assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many
> of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen
> on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the
> sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes
> claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud
> whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry,
> and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational
> idolatry.
>
> Removing irrational "randomness" from reality, leaves no coincidences,
> nothing "just happens", unless God wills. And one gets a necessary
> creator, that logically must be almighty, and sustainer of the heavens
> and the earth. One who obviously guides and deludes whomever he wills.
> And talks about mercy towards the believers.
>
> And Darwin makes irrational claims about species. No species that mutate
> in any such degree, would ofcourse stop to mutate, and all species would
> have left an enormous amount of mutations that did not make it. And even
> just two compatible mutations, from another species, is absurd theory.
> And mutation is not any object of occult power.
>
> And ofcourse Stallman claims to have some power of giving freedom to
> hackers, by his GPL licence, are fradulent.
>
> Any of these, whether you view them more or less influental is just
> doing the same.
>
> Free fantasy and conjuring of unreal things. If you are looking for the
> logical, and really scientific view, that is Artistotle still. And
> stallman does ofcourse not know what freedom is. And even making an idol
> of himself. Maybe he was of those who used LSD, it used to be popular,
> and unfortunately still is too popular. Turning people to stooges.
>
> Freedom, and natural behaviour comes with natural religion, that
> protects human values. (non-sectarian) and godconsciousness. God is
> almighty and just, Lord of The Heavens And The Earth.
>
> And Open-source is now well-understood, a better term, and is good
> development, and much more graceful, than his slogans.
>
> If one is to fix the problem of ill-behaved participants anywhere, the
> conflicts lies in monotheism vs idolatry (polytheism), as always.
>
> This can all be solved. Stallman does not have any occult powers, to
> allow him only to write licences, and indeed if the licence was kernel
> code, it would have been patched out, for reasons of obscurity, a long
> time ago.
>
> I actually made a very simple licence for my own DSP-code, which atleast
> works for me. It takes my understanding of "Open source", and words it
> as simple as possible.
>
> "This program, plugin or function is licenced under
> The Beneficient Open-Source Licence.
>
> That means that its source is released
> and shall stay available openly,
> to benefit humankind, in the path of God.
> And that shall apply to developments,
> modifications, derivations, and branches.
>
> The licence may not be changed, but modifications
> between program, plugin and function may be done,
> and used alongside software of other licences.
>
> Peace Be With You."
>
> That should be well understood in the beneficial arrangements of
> monotheism.
>
> I also wrote it a little bit like this, to hint at library buliding of
> re-used components.
>
> Ultimately it is about information-management, and good communication. I
> wrote on my blog about decentralized blog/magazine style keyword
> network, as a maybe usenet inspired modern iteration of many online
> technologies.
>
> --
> Peace Be With You
> Ove Karlsen
> http://www.ovekarlsen.com
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