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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 15:52:38 -0500 From: Richard Dunn <richard.dunn.144@...il.com> To: Liam Lindholm <liam.oskar.lindholm@...il.com> Cc: Ove Karlsen <mail@...karlsen.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org> Subject: Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour. In case you missed it, Phoronix covered your original email. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1MTI On 1/7/14, Liam Lindholm <liam.oskar.lindholm@...il.com> wrote: > Mr. Karlsen, > > I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not > quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it > is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a > kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack. > > In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave > about the Free Software Foundation's "Say LiGNUx" campaign: > http://imgur.com/a/beY7E > > Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly > irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we > ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press > release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free > Software Foundation. > > So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have > been acted upon. > > If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with > me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains? > Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call > Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen? > > Happy New Year. > > Liam Oskar Lindholm, > Linux Kernel Hacker > > On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen <mail@...karlsen.com> wrote: >> In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings >> are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns >> ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A >> monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where >> Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. >> >> No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe >> that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be >> harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties >> and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not >> the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, >> and other places. >> >> Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that >> is really what reminded me of it. >> >> Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar >> thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone >> complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. >> >> It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. >> And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. >> >> This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people >> censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans >> Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think >> 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common >> online. >> >> Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as >> swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an >> idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc >> >> Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. >> >> On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For >> instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has >> also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite >> of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting >> naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that >> element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is >> close to "for the praises of God" is it not. >> >> Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God". >> In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. >> In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. >> In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as >> unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, >> God created you with the most upright nature. >> >> And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended >> by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The >> Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think >> monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been >> established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of >> any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this. >> >> And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that >> is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A >> series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any >> frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot >> be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally >> assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many >> of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen >> on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the >> sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes >> claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud >> whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry, >> and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational >> idolatry. >> >> Removing irrational "randomness" from reality, leaves no coincidences, >> nothing "just happens", unless God wills. And one gets a necessary >> creator, that logically must be almighty, and sustainer of the heavens >> and the earth. One who obviously guides and deludes whomever he wills. >> And talks about mercy towards the believers. >> >> And Darwin makes irrational claims about species. No species that mutate >> in any such degree, would ofcourse stop to mutate, and all species would >> have left an enormous amount of mutations that did not make it. And even >> just two compatible mutations, from another species, is absurd theory. >> And mutation is not any object of occult power. >> >> And ofcourse Stallman claims to have some power of giving freedom to >> hackers, by his GPL licence, are fradulent. >> >> Any of these, whether you view them more or less influental is just >> doing the same. >> >> Free fantasy and conjuring of unreal things. If you are looking for the >> logical, and really scientific view, that is Artistotle still. And >> stallman does ofcourse not know what freedom is. And even making an idol >> of himself. Maybe he was of those who used LSD, it used to be popular, >> and unfortunately still is too popular. Turning people to stooges. >> >> Freedom, and natural behaviour comes with natural religion, that >> protects human values. (non-sectarian) and godconsciousness. God is >> almighty and just, Lord of The Heavens And The Earth. >> >> And Open-source is now well-understood, a better term, and is good >> development, and much more graceful, than his slogans. >> >> If one is to fix the problem of ill-behaved participants anywhere, the >> conflicts lies in monotheism vs idolatry (polytheism), as always. >> >> This can all be solved. Stallman does not have any occult powers, to >> allow him only to write licences, and indeed if the licence was kernel >> code, it would have been patched out, for reasons of obscurity, a long >> time ago. >> >> I actually made a very simple licence for my own DSP-code, which atleast >> works for me. It takes my understanding of "Open source", and words it >> as simple as possible. >> >> "This program, plugin or function is licenced under >> The Beneficient Open-Source Licence. >> >> That means that its source is released >> and shall stay available openly, >> to benefit humankind, in the path of God. >> And that shall apply to developments, >> modifications, derivations, and branches. >> >> The licence may not be changed, but modifications >> between program, plugin and function may be done, >> and used alongside software of other licences. >> >> Peace Be With You." >> >> That should be well understood in the beneficial arrangements of >> monotheism. >> >> I also wrote it a little bit like this, to hint at library buliding of >> re-used components. >> >> Ultimately it is about information-management, and good communication. I >> wrote on my blog about decentralized blog/magazine style keyword >> network, as a maybe usenet inspired modern iteration of many online >> technologies. >> >> -- >> Peace Be With You >> Ove Karlsen >> http://www.ovekarlsen.com >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" >> in >> the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ >> > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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