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Date:	Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:10:21 -0800 (PST)
From:	ChaosEsque Team <>
To:	Borislav Petkov <>
Subject: Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this?

I much prefer simpler forms over complex forms.
SysV is that vs systemd.

The systemd people have pushed hard for exclusive systemd in debian.
And everywhere else for that matter.

I really would like to have the option, forever, to continue using 
sysv scripts, just like we've been doing since linux came into existance
and since debian came into the world. I do not like how systemd
works, I just don't want to use it. I don't like how it 
takes over everything.

I do like debian, it has always been about choice.
But now the systemd people are taking that choice away.

They are always threatening us that sysv scripts _will_
"bit rot" away (they're wooden?, no they exist now and work
fine, and will continue to work fine).

I wish someone could weigh in and defang the systemd and pottering 
people. They are steamrolling over all of us, they seem to take
pleasure in the fact that we will have to relearn everything and on 
their terms. It is domination of the mind.

They also have zero respect for anyone else. Zero respect for 
people that like the unix way. Zero respect for those older than them
and Zero respect for those working in the field.

Could linus perhaps atleast delegate udev away from pottering and friends?
And maybe make a statement that linux is NOT systemd, there is no
new "linux software stack" that pottering and friends keep insisting on.

This situation is coming to a head. We need leadership against this
landgrab of the systemd people.

On Fri, 2/14/14, Borislav Petkov <> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this?
 To: "ChaosEsque Team" <>
 Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 6:27 AM
 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 05:19:01AM
 -0800, ChaosEsque Team wrote:
 > Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the
 fans of them.
 > Where's linus in all of this?
 > The systemd fans ban anyone who say f__k-that to
 > What can we do?
 > Can we fork debian? (Why do we have to...)
 > Why do 4 people get to decide to send thousands and
 thousands of people into the systemd waters?
 > This is not fair.
 > This is not-pro choice. And YES, linux, and especially
 debian IS about choice.
 I don't know if you're trolling for a useless discussion or
 this is
 really your opinion but if it were, I have to say that I
 agree with you
 about the choice aspect. I don't like that systemd-or-die
 I'm sure systemd might have its merits and all but I think,
 too, people
 should have a choice on any distro.
 Just my 2c.
 Sent from a fat crate under my desk. Formatting is fine.
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