linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] kernel/panic: Add "late_kdump" option for kdump in unstable condition

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Message-ID: <534C8D64.2070108@hitachi.com>
Date:	Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:37:40 +0900
From:	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@...achi.com>
To:	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Satoru MORIYA <satoru.moriya.br@...achi.com>,
	Yoshihiro YUNOMAE <yoshihiro.yunomae.ez@...achi.com>,
	Takenori Nagano <t-nagano@...jp.nec.com>,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Motohiro Kosaki <Motohiro.Kosaki@...fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kernel/panic: Add "late_kdump" option for kdump in unstable
 condition

Hi Vivek,

(2014/04/15 4:31), Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 01:51:58PM +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
>> Add a "late_kdump" option to run kdump after running panic
>> notifiers and dump kmsg. This can help rare situations which
>> kdump drops in failure because of unstable crashed kernel
>> or hardware failure (memory corruption on critical data/code),
>> or the 2nd kernel is broken by the 1st kernel (it's a broken
>> behavior, but who can guarantee that the "crashed" kernel
>> works correctly?).
>>
>> Usage: add "late_kdump" to kernel boot option. That's all.
>>
>> Note that this actually increases risks of the failure of
>> kdump. This option should be set only if you worry about
>> the rare case of kdump failure rather than increasing the
>> chance of success.
>>
> 
> Masami,
> 
> So what's the alternative to kdump which is more reliable? IOW, what
> action you are planning to take through kmsg_dump() or through
> panic_notifiers?
> 
> I have seen that many a times developers have tried to make the case 
> to save kernel buffers to NVRAM. Does it work well? Has it been proven
> to be more reliable than kdump?

Yeah, one possible option is the NVRAM, but even with the serial,
there are other reasons to kick the notifiers, e.g.
 - dump to ipmi which has a very small amount of non-volatile memory
 - ftrace_dump() to dump "flight recorder" log to serial
 - pvpanic notifies panic to the host.

Anyway, I think the most important reason for linux developers is
that we have a chance to improve such horrible notifiers to safer,
or at least to clarify what notifier or behavior makes kdump unstable. :-)

Thank you,

-- 
Masami HIRAMATSU
Software Platform Research Dept. Linux Technology Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Yokohama Research Laboratory
E-mail: masami.hiramatsu.pt@...achi.com


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