linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] File Sealing & memfd

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Message-ID: <CANq1E4T-4dc=r0mpedY-CfDmxCO4YmDfUX4-DRP1y6darAuSWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 2 Jun 2014 18:04:02 +0200
From:	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>
To:	Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
Cc:	Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
	Tony Battersby <tonyb@...ernetics.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@...il.com>,
	Ryan Lortie <desrt@...rt.ca>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@...ah.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@...aro.org>,
	Kristian Hogsberg <krh@...planet.net>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@...ttering.net>,
	Daniel Mack <zonque@...il.com>, Kay Sievers <kay@...y.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] File Sealing & memfd_create()

Hi

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz> wrote:
> On Mon 02-06-14 13:42:59, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 01:44:25PM +0200, David Herrmann wrote:
>> > I tried doing the page-replacement in the last 4 days, but honestly,
>> > it's far more complex than I thought. So if no-one more experienced
>> > with mm/ comes up with a simple implementation, I'll have to delay
>> > this for some more weeks.
>> >
>> > However, I still wonder why we try to fix this as part of this
>> > patchset. Using FUSE, a DIRECT-IO call can be delayed for an arbitrary
>> > amount of time. Same is true for network block-devices, NFS, iscsi,
>> > maybe loop-devices, ... This means, _any_ once mapped page can be
>> > written to after an arbitrary delay. This can break any feature that
>> > makes FS objects read-only (remounting read-only, setting S_IMMUTABLE,
>> > sealing, ..).
>> >
>> > Shouldn't we try to fix the _cause_ of this?
>>
>> I didn't follow this patchset and couldn't find what's your most cocern
>> but at a first glance, it seems you have troubled with pinned page.
>> If so, it's really big problem for CMA and I think peterz's approach(ie,
>> mm_mpin) is really make sense to me.
>   Well, his concern are pinned pages (and also pages used for direct IO and
> similar) but not because they are pinned but because they can be modified
> while someone holds reference to them. So I'm not sure Peter's patches will
> help here.

Correct, the problem is not accounting for pinned-pages, but waiting
for them to get released. Furthermore, Peter's patches make VM_PINNED
an optional feature, so we'd still miss all the short-term GUP users.
Sadly, that means we cannot even use it to test for pending GUP users.

Thanks
David
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