linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 22/27] perf tools: Enable --children option by default

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Message-ID: <20140729130650.GP7831@kernel.org>
Date:	Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:06:50 -0300
From:	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...nel.org>
To:	Andres Freund <andres@...razel.de>
Cc:	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@...il.com>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...hat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung.kim@....com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>, Arun Sharma <asharma@...com>,
	Rodrigo Campos <rodrigo@...g.com.ar>,
	Don Zickus <dzickus@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 22/27] perf tools: Enable --children option by default

Em Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 01:45:48PM +0200, Andres Freund escreveu:
> On 2014-07-29 15:52:46 +0900, Namhyung Kim wrote:
> > Yes, I knew it'd annoy some existing users like you :)

And me :-)

> > But I hoped it'd be useful for new and (at least, some of) old users
> > to see children/ cumulative overheads by default.  If it lies under
> > an option, it wouldn't have a chance to be used by normal users who
> > simply run perf record and report most of time.
 
> By that argument every new feature would need to be enabled by
> default. Which normally isn't what happens.
 
> > If you think it's entirely useless for you cases, you can set it to off
> > using ~/.perfconfig file:

> >   [report]
> >   children = false
 
> Already done that ;).

:-)
 
> The problem is still that I can't use --no-children on older systems, so
> I can't write benchmarking scripts anymore that don't take depend on the
> perf version...
 
> I guess it's too late to argue effectively though :)

yeah, changing the output people are used to in such a big way is not
nice.

Perhaps next time we should instead present a dialog box at 'perf
report' start allowing people to opt-in, having a nice explanation about
why one would want to switch the default while alowing people to say:

[x] No, Thanks

- Arnaldo
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