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Date:	Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:30:46 +0000
From:	"chenhanxiao@...fujitsu.com" <chenhanxiao@...fujitsu.com>
To:	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@...ntu.com>
CC:	"Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@...ssion.com)" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	"Oleg Nesterov (oleg@...hat.com)" <oleg@...hat.com>,
	"Richard Weinberger (richard@....at)" <richard@....at>,
	"Pavel Emelyanov (xemul@...allels.com)" <xemul@...allels.com>,
	"Vasily Kulikov (segoon@...nwall.com)" <segoon@...nwall.com>,
	"Gotou, Yasunori" <y-goto@...fujitsu.com>,
	"'Daniel P. Berrange (berrange@...hat.com)'" <berrange@...hat.com>,
	"containers@...ts.linux-foundation.org" 
	<containers@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [RFC]Pid conversion between pid namespace



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Serge Hallyn [mailto:serge.hallyn@...ntu.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 12:12 AM
> To: Chen, Hanxiao/陈 晗霄

> > > How much more kernel space does this take up?
> > >
> >
> > Only first process when creating new ns will be add here.
> > So there would not so many items.
> 
> Oh, I see.
> 
> > > Is there an easy way to go from a pid in your own namespace
> > > to its proper node under /proc/nspid?  I.e. if I am interested
> > > in pid 9987, which happens to be pid 5 inside a container in
> > > ns2, and then I want to know what it means when it (pid 9987)
> > > is talking about 'pid 10'.  Is there a link under /proc/9987/
> > > leading to /proc/nspid/ns2/5 ?
> >
> > If you want to query pid 9987, you could:
> > a) readlink /proc/9987/ns/pid
> > b) refer to /proc/nspid/ns$(inum)/ns$(inum)..
> > c) Also the link to the 1st new ns process could be found under ns$(inum).
> 
> This is good.  Let's go with it.

OK

> 
> > Or as what you said above,
> 
> Nah.  Let's not change /proc/PID/ns/pid.
> 
> > > This sure does seem the simplest route.  But it actually still
> > > does not provide us an easy answer to "what does pid 9987 mean
> > > when it talks about pid 10?".
> >
> > Do you mean:
> > init_pid_ns   ns1     ns2
> > 9987            10      5
> > Neither getnspid syscall nor proc/PID/status expansion
> > could answer this without hierarchy information.
> > For users in init_pid_ns, getnspid needs
> > an observer pid live and only live in ns1,
> 
> Yes, good point.  That's a definite disadvantage of getnspid
> compared to your proc approach.
> 
> > or we should call getnspid in ns1.
> > See below for more.
> >
> > >
> > > > 2. Advantage of procfs solution
> > > > a) easy to use:
> > > > getnspid(6, 10) -> (10, 9, 10)
> > > > or
> > > > getnspid(10, ns1_fd, ns0_fd) -> 9
> > > > getnspid(10, ns2_fd, ns0_fd) -> 10
> > > >
> > > > And we could also get it by:
> > > > cat /proc/10/status | grep NSpid:
> > > > NSpid:	10 	9 	10
> > > > ...
> > >
> > > It looks nice, but I'm not convinced it gives us the info we
> > > need.
> > >
> > > It's certainly possible that I've just not thought it through
> > > enough.
> > >
> > > Question: are you proposing this (/proc/pid/status expansion) as an
> > > alternative to /proc/nspid, or are they meant to be complementary?
> > >
> >
> > We want /proc/nspid as a complement for pid translation.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > Ex:
> >     init_pid_ns     ns1         ns2
> > t1  2
> > t2   `- 3           1
> > t3       `- 4       `- 5        1
> > t4           `-6        `-8      `-9
> > t5             `-10        `-9      `-10
> > Suppose we were in init_pid_ns:
> > getnspid(9,4)->6 (t4)
> > getnspid(9,3)->10(t5)
> > We knew t2 in ns1 and t3 in ns2, but we don't know their relationship.
> > If we want to query pid 9 in ns1, we could use getnspid(9,3)->10(t5)
> > but the pre-requisite is that we know ns2 is the child of ns1.
> 
> I like your proc approach.  Do you have an implementation?

Thanks for your comments.
I'm preparing the pidns hierarchy patch.
It seems that it's not easy to carry it out.

Thanks,
- Chen  

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