linux-kernel - Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

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Message-ID: <14520506.bM73iQ1YOy@merkaba>
Date:	Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:21:12 +0200
From:	Martin Steigerwald <Martin@...htvoll.de>
To:	Måns Rullgård <mans@...sr.com>
Cc:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Christopher Barry <christopher.r.barry@...il.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 10:57:01 schrieb Måns Rullgård:
> Martin Steigerwald <Martin@...htvoll.de> writes:
> > Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 10:27:56 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> >> > Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org> writes:
> >> > > Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > Made my day.
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > > I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init
> >> > > routine. Maybe he'll call it "Boot Init Through Computer Hardware".
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > The trouble is that most of the heavy-weight kernel developers don't
> >> > seem to care at all about what goes on in userspace.
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> Well, I know for a fact that quite a number do; but so far most people
> >> who care have been able to steer clear of this trainwreck so we did.
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> I'm about to switch all my machines to Gentoo (from Debian) because that
> >> will indeed allow you to build a distro without much of this nonsense
> >> in -- because as has been eloquently said; you simply don't need this
> >> fucking shite to run a 'normal' machine.
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> And the thing is; we're all very busy so we tend to take the 'easy' way
> >> out for things like this; but wholesale switching all my machines is
> >> indeed painful, and I'm not liking.
> > 
> > Just for record:
> > 
> > Debian continues and will (for now and supposedly Jessie lifetime)
> > continue to work without systemd as PID 1 using systemd-shim and
> > cgmanager.
> 
> For now.  Non-systemd configurations will receive little testing, if
> any.  Once enough breakage accumulates, someone will issue an ultimatum
> for dropping such support entirely unless those who complain fix
> everything within an unreasonably short time.  Obviously most things
> will remain broken, because those who opposed systemd are not package
> maintainers and have other jobs to do, and non-systemd support will be
> removed.  I expect this to happen in unstable/testing within 18 months.

I usually do not engage in predictions of the future, you know… my crystal 
ball has holidays.

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