linux-kernel - Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

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Message-ID: <5408B069.9080708@ahsoftware.de>
Date:	Thu, 04 Sep 2014 20:33:13 +0200
From:	Alexander Holler <holler@...oftware.de>
To:	Rogelio Serrano <rogelio.serrano@...il.com>
CC:	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Måns Rullgård <mans@...sr.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Christopher Barry <christopher.r.barry@...il.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

Am 04.09.2014 20:27, schrieb Rogelio Serrano:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Alexander Holler <holler@...oftware.de> wrote:
>> Am 13.08.2014 11:00, schrieb Borislav Petkov:
>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:27:56AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And the thing is; we're all very busy so we tend to take the 'easy'
>>>> way out for things like this; but wholesale switching all my machines
>>>> is indeed painful, and I'm not liking.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right, I think kernel people will gladly jump on a sane solution devoid
>>> of that kids-jerking-off-on-linux-desktop-just-for-the-fun-of-it
>>> situation if someone would present them with one. So, if someone would
>>> come up and do a sane init design without the jerking off, kernel people
>>> would jump on that in a heartbeat. Someone might even start getting
>>> patches from them too. ^^Hint^^ ^^hint^^.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>>
>> Hmm, a sane and maintainable solution would use C++ with which people don't
>> have to manually build lists or hashes for every structure like in the
>> kernel (generic programming done right). So you won't find much kernel
>> developers there. ;)
>>
>
> Seriously Dude?
>
> Have you tried it? I was using c++ before during and after the stl was
> standardised
> and the memories of the resulting induced self hair pulling still
> gives me the shivers.
> Try writing a real time kernel with full c++ support. You have to
> provide the entire c++
> runtime in the kernel!
>
> I still do a little c++ programming when i am forced to but its only
> in small pieces.
> Ill go crazy otherwise.

I've started to use C++ when only precompilers (to translate C++ to C) 
were available. That was long before the STL was standardised.

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