linux-kernel - Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

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Date:	Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:18:08 -0500
From:	Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>
To:	Alexander Holler <holler@...oftware.de>
Cc:	Rogelio Serrano <rogelio.serrano@...il.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Måns Rullgård <mans@...sr.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Christopher Barry <christopher.r.barry@...il.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Alexander Holler <holler@...oftware.de> wrote:
>>> Hmm, a sane and maintainable solution would use C++ with which people
>>> don't
>>> have to manually build lists or hashes for every structure like in the
>>> kernel (generic programming done right). So you won't find much kernel
>>> developers there. ;)
>>>
>>
>> Seriously Dude?
>>
>> Have you tried it? I was using c++ before during and after the stl was
>> standardised
>> and the memories of the resulting induced self hair pulling still
>> gives me the shivers.
>> Try writing a real time kernel with full c++ support. You have to
>> provide the entire c++
>> runtime in the kernel!
>>
>> I still do a little c++ programming when i am forced to but its only
>> in small pieces.
>> Ill go crazy otherwise.
>
>
> I've started to use C++ when only precompilers (to translate C++ to C) were
> available. That was long before the STL was standardised.

What's actually wrong with C++ at a language design level.

Short version:

http://lwn.net/Articles/504751/

Long version (parts 1, 2, 3):

http://landley.net/notes-2011.html#16-03-2011
http://landley.net/notes-2011.html#19-03-2011
http://landley.net/notes-2011.html#20-03-2011

Seriously, saying C++ is a good language because it contains the whole
of C is like saying a mud pie is a good beverage because it contains
an entire glass of water.

Do you honestly think this is the first time this topic has come up?

http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus

Rob
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