linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 10/17] mm: rmap preparation for remap_anon

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Message-ID: <20141007172547.GQ2404@work-vm>
Date:	Tue, 7 Oct 2014 18:25:48 +0100
From:	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@...hat.com>
To:	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/17] mm: rmap preparation for remap_anon_pages

* Paolo Bonzini (pbonzini@...hat.com) wrote:
> Il 07/10/2014 19:07, Dr. David Alan Gilbert ha scritto:
> >> > 
> >> > So I'd *much* rather have a "write()" style interface (ie _copying_
> >> > bytes from user space into a newly allocated page that gets mapped)
> >> > than a "remap page" style interface
> > Something like that might work for the postcopy case; it doesn't work
> > for some of the other uses that need to stop a page being changed by the
> > guest, but then need to somehow get a copy of that page internally to QEMU,
> > and perhaps provide it back later.
> 
> I cannot parse this.  Which uses do you have in mind?  Is it for
> QEMU-specific or is it for other applications of userfaults?

> As long as the page is atomically mapped, I'm not sure what the
> difference from remap_anon_pages are (as far as the destination page is
> concerned).  Are you thinking of having userfaults enabled on the source
> as well?

What I'm talking about here is when I want to stop a page being accessed by the
guest, do something with the data in qemu, and give it back to the guest sometime
later.

The main example is: Memory pools for guests where you swap RAM between a series of
VM hosts.  You have to take the page out, send it over the wire, sometime later if
the guest tries to access it you userfault and pull it back.
(There's at least one or two companies selling something like this, and at least
one Linux based implementations with their own much more involved kernel hacks)

Dave
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Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@...hat.com / Manchester, UK
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