linux-kernel - Re: A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist

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Message-ID: <CALCETrVRkO-KRTtnX69ku5DkVLmFLbMqK22B1xyEpWt-o-xK9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:47:47 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>
Cc:	Bastien Nocera <hadess@...ess.net>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:28:12PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>
>> Why is kdbus needed?
>
> Presumably because freedesktop crowd has made an architectural mistake and
> pushed dbus as solution to all problems.  And ran into limitations of
> that, er, solution.  Then, instead of perhaps reconsidering the wisdom of
> their inspired decision, went for "let's push it kernelwards, it might
> somewhat reduce the overhead and problems will be easier to chalk up to
> something wrong being done by the kernel".

Well, yes, but the question I was actually trying to ask is: why does
a containerized app need any kernel help at all for communication with
the rest of the system (using dbus or anything else)?  Passing socket
fds into a container works just fine.

--Andy
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