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Date:	Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:42:28 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	Vince Weaver <vince@...ter.net>
Cc:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...nel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>,
	Erik Bosman <ebn310@....vu.nl>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/5] CR4 handling improvements

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 01:05:49PM -0400, Vince Weaver wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> > > perf_event is also fairly high overhead for setting up and starting 
> > > events,
> > 
> > Which you only do once at the start, so is that really a problem?
> 
> There are various reasons why you might want to start events at times
> other than the beginning of the program.  Some people don't like kernel 
> multiplexing so they start/stop manually if they want to switch eventsets.

I suppose you could pre-create all events and use ioctl()s to start/stop
them where/when desired, this should be faster I think. But yes, this is
not a use-case I've though much about.

> But no, I suppose you could ask anyone wanting to use rdpmc to open some 
> sort of dummy event at startup just to get cr4 enabled.

That's one work-around :-)

> > I still don't get that argument, 2 rdpmc's is cheaper than doing wrmsr,
> > not to mention doing wrmsr through a syscall. And looking at that mmap
> > page is 1 cacheline. Is that cacheline read (assuming you miss) the real
> > problem?
> 
> Well at least by default the first read of the mmap page causes a 
> pagefault which adds a few thousand cycles of latency.  Though you can
> somewhat get around this by prefaulting it in at some point.

MAP_POPULATE is your friend there, but yes manually prefaulting is
perfectly fine too, and the HPC people are quite familiar with the
concept, they do it for a lot of things.

> Anyway I'm just reporting numbers I get when measuring the overhead of 
> the old perfctr interface vs perf_event on typical PAPI workloads.  It's 
> true you can re-arrange calls and such so that perf_event behaves better 
> but that involves redoing a lot of existing code.

OK agreed, having to change existing code is often subject to various
forms of inertia/resistance. And yes I cannot deny that some of the
features perf has come at the expense of various overheads, however hard
we're trying to keep costs down.

> I do appreciate the trouble you've gone through keeping self-monitoring 
> working considering the fact that I'm the only user admitting to using it.

I have some code somewhere that uses it too, I've tried pushing it off
to other people but so far there are no takers :-)
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