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Date:	Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:29:58 +0200
From:	Nikolay Nikolaev <n.nikolaev@...tualopensystems.com>
To:	Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@....com>
Cc:	Marc Zyngier <Marc.Zyngier@....com>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@...aro.org>,
	Antonios Motakis <a.motakis@...tualopensystems.com>,
	"kvmarm@...ts.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@...ts.cs.columbia.edu>,
	VirtualOpenSystems Technical Team <tech@...tualopensystems.com>,
	"agraf@...e.de" <agraf@...e.de>, Gleb Natapov <gleb@...nel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>,
	Russell King <linux@....linux.org.uk>,
	"open list:KERNEL VIRTUAL MA..." <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
	ARM PORT <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] ARM: KVM: on unhandled IO mem abort, route the
 call to the KVM MMIO bus

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@....com> wrote:
> Hi Nikolay,
>
> On 13/11/14 11:37, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>> [fixing Andre's email address]
>>
>> On 13/11/14 11:20, Christoffer Dall wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:45:42PM +0200, Nikolay Nikolaev wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Going through the vgic_handle_mmio we see that it will require large
>>>>>> refactoring:
>>>>>>  - there are 15 MMIO ranges for the vgic now - each should be
>>>>>> registered as a separate device
>>>>>>  - the handler of each range should be split into read and write
>>>>>>  - all handlers take 'struct kvm_exit_mmio', and pass it to
>>>>>> 'vgic_reg_access', 'mmio_data_read' and 'mmio_data_read'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To sum up - if we do this refactoring of vgic's MMIO handling +
>>>>>> kvm_io_bus_ API getting 'vcpu" argument we'll get a 'much' cleaner
>>>>>> vgic code and as a bonus we'll get 'ioeventfd' capabilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have 3 questions:
>>>>>>  - is the kvm_io_bus_ getting 'vcpu' argument acceptable for the other
>>>>>> architectures too?
>>>>>>  - is this huge vgic MMIO handling redesign acceptable/desired (it
>>>>>> touches a lot of code)?
>>>>>>  - is there a way that ioeventfd is accepted leaving vgic.c in it's
>>>>>> current state?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure how the latter question is relevant to this, but check with
>>>>> Andre who recently looked at this as well and decided that for GICv3 the
>>>>> only sane thing was to remove that comment for the gic.
>>>> @Andre - what's your experience with the GICv3 and MMIO handling,
>>>> anything specific?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall the details of what you were trying to accomplish here
>>>>> (it's been 8 months or so) but the surely the vgic handling code should
>>>>> *somehow* be integrated into the handle_kernel_mmio (like Paolo
>>>>> suggested), unless you come back and tell me that that would involve a
>>>>> complete rewrite of the vgic code.
>>>> I'm experimenting now - it's not exactly rewrite of whole vgic code,
>>>> but it will touch a lot of it  - all MMIO access handlers and the
>>>> supporting functions.
>>>> We're ready to spend the effort. My question is  - is this acceptable?
>>>>
>>> I certainly appreciate the offer to do this work, but it's hard to say
>>> at this point if it is worth it.
>>>
>>> What I was trying to say above is that Andre looked at this, and came to
>>> the conclusion that it is not worth it.
>>>
>>> Marc, what are your thoughts?
>>
>> Same here, I rely on Andre's view that it was not very useful. Now, it
>> would be good to see a mock-up of the patches and find out:
>
> Seconded, can you send a pointer to the VGIC rework patches mentioned?
They are still in WiP state - not exactly working. I'm still exploring
what the status is.

Our major target is having ioeventfd suport in ARM. For this we need
to support kvm_io_bus_ mechanisms for MMIO access (cause ioevent fd
device is registered this way). Then this subject of integrating vgic
with the kvm_io_bus_ APIs came up.
My personal opinion - they should be able to coexist in peace.

>
>> - if it is a major improvement for the general quality of the code
>> - if that allow us to *delete* a lot of code (if it is just churn, I'm
>> not really interested)
>> - if it helps or hinders further developments that are currently in the
>> pipeline
>>
>> Andre, can you please share your findings? I don't remember the
>> specifics of the discussion we had a few months ago...
>
> 1) Given the date in the reply I sense that your patches are from March
> this year or earlier. So this is based on VGIC code from March, which
> predates Marc's vgic_dyn changes that just went in 3.18-rc1? His patches
> introduced another member to struct mmio_range to check validity of
> accesses with a reduced number of SPIs supported (.bits_per_irq).
> So is this covered in your rework?
Still no (rebased to 3.17) - didn't see it, but should not be an issue.
>
> 2)
>>>>  - there are 15 MMIO ranges for the vgic now - each should be
>
> Well, the GICv3 emulation adds 41 new ranges. Not sure if this still fits.
>
>>>> registered as a separate device
>
> I found this fact a show-stopper when looking at this a month ago.
> Somehow it feels wrong to register a bunch of pseudo-devices. I could go
> with registering a small number of regions (one distributor, two
> redistributor regions for instance), but not handling every single of
> the 41 + 15 register "groups" as a device.
Do you sense performance issues, or just "it's not right"?
Maybe kvm_io_bus_ needs some extesion to hanlde a device with multiple regions?

>
> Also I wasn't sure if we had to expose some of the vGIC structures to
> the other KVM code layers.
I don't see such a need. Can you point some example?
>
> But I am open to any suggestions (as long as they go in _after_ my
> vGICv3 series ;-)  - so looking forward to some repo to see how it looks
> like.
There is still nothing much to show - but if there is interest we may
prepare something that shows the idea.
BTW, where is your repo (sorry I don't follow so close) with the vGICv3?

>
> Cheers,
> Andre.

regards,
Nikolay Nikolaev
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