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Date:	Fri, 12 Dec 2014 23:06:17 -0800
From:	Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>
To:	"Varlese, Marco" <marco.varlese@...el.com>
CC:	Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"stephen@...workplumber.org" <stephen@...workplumber.org>,
	"Fastabend, John R" <john.r.fastabend@...el.com>,
	"sfeldma@...il.com" <sfeldma@...il.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 1/1] net: Support for switch port configuration

On 12/12/14, 1:19 AM, Varlese, Marco wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roopa Prabhu [mailto:roopa@...ulusnetworks.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 5:41 PM
>> To: Jiri Pirko
>> Cc: Varlese, Marco; John Fastabend; netdev@...r.kernel.org;
>> stephen@...workplumber.org; Fastabend, John R; sfeldma@...il.com;
>> linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
>> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 1/1] net: Support for switch port
>> configuration
>>
>> On 12/11/14, 8:56 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>> Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 05:37:46PM CET, roopa@...ulusnetworks.com wrote:
>>>> On 12/11/14, 3:01 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>>>> Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:59:42AM CET, marco.varlese@...el.com wrote:
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: John Fastabend [mailto:john.fastabend@...il.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:04 PM
>>>>>>> To: Jiri Pirko
>>>>>>> Cc: Varlese, Marco; netdev@...r.kernel.org;
>>>>>>> stephen@...workplumber.org; Fastabend, John R;
>>>>>>> roopa@...ulusnetworks.com; sfeldma@...il.com; linux-
>>>>>>> kernel@...r.kernel.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 1/1] net: Support for switch port
>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/10/2014 08:50 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>>>>>>> Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:23:40PM CET, marco.varlese@...el.com
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> From: Marco Varlese <marco.varlese@...el.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Switch hardware offers a list of attributes that are
>>>>>>>>> configurable on a per port basis.
>>>>>>>>> This patch provides a mechanism to configure switch ports by
>>>>>>>>> adding an NDO for setting specific values to specific attributes.
>>>>>>>>> There will be a separate patch that extends iproute2 to call the
>>>>>>>>> new NDO.
>>>>>>>> What are these attributes? Can you give some examples. I'm asking
>>>>>>>> because there is a plan to pass generic attributes to switch
>>>>>>>> ports replacing current specific ndo_switch_port_stp_update. In
>>>>>>>> this case, bridge is setting that attribute.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there need to set something directly from userspace or does it
>>>>>>>> make rather sense to use involved bridge/ovs/bond ? I think that
>>>>>>>> both will be needed.
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think for many attributes it would be best to have both. The in
>>>>>>> kernel callers and netlink userspace can use the same driver ndo_ops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then we don't _require_ any specific bridge/ovs/etc module.
>>>>>>> And we may have some attributes that are not specific to any
>>>>>>> existing software module. I'm guessing Marco has some examples of
>> these.
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> John Fastabend         Intel Corporation
>>>>>> We do have a need to configure the attributes directly from user-space
>> and I have identified the tool to do that in iproute2.
>>>>>> An example of attributes are:
>>>>>> * enabling/disabling of learning of source addresses on a given
>>>>>> port (you can imagine the attribute called LEARNING for example);
>>>>>> * internal loopback control (i.e. LOOPBACK) which will control how
>>>>>> the flow of traffic behaves from the switch fabric towards an
>>>>>> egress port;
>>>>>> * flooding for broadcast/multicast/unicast type of packets (i.e.
>>>>>> BFLOODING, MFLOODING, UFLOODING);
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some attributes would be of the type enabled/disabled while other will
>> allow specific values to allow the user to configure different behaviours of
>> that feature on that particular port on that platform.
>>>>>> One thing to mention - as John stated as well - there might be some
>> attributes that are not specific to any software module but rather have to do
>> with the actual hardware/platform to configure.
>>>>>> I hope this clarifies some points.
>>>>> It does. Makes sense. We need to expose this attr set/get for both
>>>>> in-kernel and userspace use cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please adjust you patch for this. Also, as a second patch, it would
>>>>> be great if you can convert ndo_switch_port_stp_update to this new
>> ndo.
>>>> Why are we exposing generic switch attribute get/set from userspace
>>>> ?. We already have specific attributes for learning/flooding which
>>>> can be extended further.
>>> Yes, but that is for PF_BRIDGE and bridge specific attributes. There
>>> might be another generic attrs, no?
>> I cant think of any. And plus, the whole point of switchdev l2 offloads was to
>> map these to existing bridge attributes. And we already have a match for
>> some of the attributes that marco wants.
>>
>> If there is a need for such attributes, i don't see why it is needed for switch
>> devices only.
>> It is needed for any hw (nics etc). And, a precedence to this is to do it via
>> ethtool.
>>
>> Having said that, am sure we will find a need for this in the future.
>> And having a netlink attribute always helps.
>>
>> Today, it seems like these can be mapped to existing attributes that are
>> settable via ndo_bridge_setlink/getlink.
>>
>>>> And for in kernel api....i had a sample patch in my RFC series (Which
>>>> i was going to resubmit, until it was decided that we will use
>>>> existing api around
>>>> ndo_bridge_setlink/ndo_bridge_getlink):
>>>> http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg305473.html
>>> Yes, this might become handy for other generic non-bridge attrs.
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Roopa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> The list I provided is only a subset of the attributes we will need to be exposed. I do have more and I'm sure that more will come in the future. As I mentioned in few posts earlier, some attributes are generic and some are not.
>
> I did not consider ethtool for few reasons but the main one is that I was under the impression that netlink was preferred in many circumstances over the ethotool_ops.
That is correct. I don't think anybody hinted that you should extend 
ethtool.
>   Plus, all the cases I have identified so far are going to nicely fit into the setlink set of operations.
>

Would be better if you submitted your iproute2 patch with this patch.

I do plan to resubmit my generic ndo patch soon.

Thanks,
Roopa
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