linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v7 00/17] Introduce ACPI for ARM64 based on ACPI 5.1

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Message-ID: <1809831.d9GPSfLUEN@wuerfel>
Date:	Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:40:28 +0100
From:	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>
To:	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org
Cc:	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
	Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland@....com>,
	linaro-acpi <linaro-acpi@...ts.linaro.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@....com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 00/17] Introduce ACPI for ARM64 based on ACPI 5.1

On Friday 16 January 2015 15:33:20 Will Deacon wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 03:14:13PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Friday 16 January 2015 14:55:45 Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 02:45:30PM +0000, Tom Lendacky wrote:
> > > > I have tested ACPI-enablement patches for the amd-xgbe/amd-xgbe-phy
> > > > drivers that I'm about to submit upstream with the V7 patch series
> > > > on the AMD Seattle server platform. There does not appear to be support
> > > > for the _CCA attribute in this patch series. The amd-xgbe driver will
> > > > setup the device domain and cache attributes based on the presence of
> > > > this attribute, but it requires the arch support to assign the proper
> > > > DMA operations in order for it to all work correctly.
> > > > 
> > > > Overriding the _CCA attribute in the driver, I was able to successfully
> > > > test the driver and this patch series.
> > > 
> > > Hopefully this will all be addressed when the IORT parts of ACPI have
> > > settled down (the current proposal allows for these attributes to be
> > > described as well as their interaction with things like IOMMUs).
> > > 
> > > In the meantime, are you falling back to non-coherent DMA? If so, what
> > > attributes have you settled on? We need to be really careful not to
> > > corrupt data during cache invalidatation when mapping a non-coherent
> > > buffer for the CPU.
> > 
> > I think in case of ACPI we should use cache-coherent as the default,
> > as this is what all servers will use for DMA masters.
> 
> I don't agree. The dma-coherent we have for device-tree isn't nearly
> expressive enough for the kind of things we want to describe and there's
> no reason to make the same mistake in ACPI, especially as it *is* being
> addressed by IORT. If we run with _CCA, then we're going to be stuck
> supporting something that isn't fit for purpose and which will likely be
> abused to describe both fixed features of the system and software
> configuration preferences. It also opens up a can of worms if we have to
> support a mixture of _CCA and IORT in the future.
> 
> Or are you suggesting that we ignore _CCA and just assume cache-coherency?
> In that case, how do we support systems that aren't cache coherent, where
> not being cache coherent includes devices that require either device or
> IOMMU configuration to enable cacheable transactions?

I was thinking we'd ignore _CCA because as you say a simple on/off flag
would not be enough to describe what we have to do for noncoherent
devices. I can't think of any reason why a server hardware would include
noncoherent devices, so if they are configurable they should be configured
into coherent mode by the firmware.

	Arnd
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