linux-kernel - Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

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Message-ID: <20150415094928.GA18535@kroah.com>
Date:	Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:49:28 +0200
From:	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
To:	Richard Weinberger <richard@....at>
Cc:	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:30:52AM +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> Am 15.04.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Greg Kroah-Hartman:
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:21:49AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:20:34AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> >>>> We're all forced to use cgroups, systemd, udev unless we want to have busybox
> >>>> as userland. That's a fact.
> >>>
> >>> Is that a problem?
> >>
> >> I'm amazed that you're really actually asking that question :-(
> > 
> > Really?  Why can't userspace rely on the features that the kernel
> > provides them?  If not, why would the feature be created and supported
> > by us kernel developers in the first place?
> 
> This IMHO not the problem.
> But if we add a new component to the kernel which *will* be used
> by almost every userland out there (systemd won the "init wars")
> we have to make sure that we're all fine with it.

Sure, but why would this be different from any other kernel feature that
we add?  We have to be sure we are fine with everything we merge, as we
are saying we are going to maintain this stuff for forever.

> Andy and Eric have some very valid concerns.

I've tried to address Andy's concerns, Eric is not being very specific,
so there's nothing I can do there :)

thanks,

greg k-h
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