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Date: 20 Apr 2015 16:26:29 -0400 From: "George Spelvin" <linux@...izon.com> To: gregkh@...uxfoundation.org, richard.weinberger@...il.com Cc: bp@...en8.de, jkosina@...e.cz, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, luto@...capital.net, martin@...htvoll.de, richard@....at, umgwanakikbuti@...il.com, viro@...IV.linux.org.uk Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 > It's used everywhere, on servers, > embedded systems, desktops, you name it. All languages have bindings > for it, and it's the underpinning of a modern Linux stack. Since when? D-bus is some GUI depoendency. On my console-only servers, it's not needed, and not installed: # dpkg-query -s libdbus-1-3 dbus dpkg-query: package 'libdbus-1-3' is not installed and no information is available dpkg-query: package 'dbus' is not installed and no information is available # dpkg-query -l \*dbus\* dpkg-query: no packages found matching *dbus* It's also not needed on a basic GUI system. Firefox complains about saving preferences if it's not running, but runs just fine: $ pgrep dbus $ ps 6570 19644 25779 29487 29492 PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 6570 ? Sl 1:48 iceweasel 19644 ? Sl 0:29 /usr/bin/vlc -I qt4 25779 ? Sl 0:16 rhythmbox 29487 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/bin/gnumeric 29492 ? Sl 0:01 /usr/bin/gimp $ Richard Weinberger wrote: > kdbus will be a major hard-dependency for every non-trivial userland. > Like cgroups... and > We're all forced to use cgroups, systemd, udev unless we want to have busybox > as userland. That's a fact. My daily desktop also has # CONFIG_CGROUPS is not set And no systemd. Udev actually does something useful, so I have it on my desktop, but I have machines with a static /dev instead. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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