linux-kernel - Re: Issues with capability bits and meta-data in kdbus

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Message-ID: <5537AABE.9010506@gmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 22 Apr 2015 10:05:50 -0400
From:	Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@...il.com>
To:	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
CC:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>
Subject: Re: Issues with capability bits and meta-data in kdbus

On 2015-04-22 09:07, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 07:40:25AM -0400, Austin S Hemmelgarn wrote:
>> On 2015-04-21 22:32, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If kdbus were a general purpose IPC tool
>>>
>>>   .. but it's not ..
>>>
>>
>> Except, IIRC, that was one of the stated design goals in the original patch
>> set.  I'm pretty sure that i remember a rather verbose exposition that
>> pretty much could be summarized as "Linux has no general purpose IPC in the
>> kernel, this fixes that"
>
> Did I say that somewhere?  Here's what the patchset has always started
> with every time I have posted it for review, starting back last year in
> October:
>
> 	kdbus is a kernel-level IPC implementation that aims for
> 	resemblance to the the protocol layer with the existing
> 	userspace D-Bus daemon while enabling some features that
> 	couldn't be implemented before in userspace.
>
> 2+ years ago, I had the dream that maybe we could make kdbus into the
> "general purpose IPC layer for the kernel", but in working through all
> of the issues, and the requirements of the userspace users and
> protocols, it just really didn't work out that way, sorry.
>
I think it may have been someone else elaborating on this ideal that I 
was remembering.  Personally, I could care less whether it is considered 
'general purpose', as far as I'm concerned, POSIX semaphores, shm, and 
UDS fit all the IPC I ever need.  On that note, I have considered trying 
to implement SOCK_SEQPACKET support for AF_LOCAL, although I've gotten 
by just fine using SCTP over the loop-back interface.


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