linux-kernel - Re: Interacting with coherent memory on external devices

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Message-ID: <20150423190056.GP5561@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:	Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:00:56 -0700
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>
Cc:	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	jglisse@...hat.com, mgorman@...e.de, aarcange@...hat.com,
	riel@...hat.com, airlied@...hat.com,
	aneesh.kumar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Cameron Buschardt <cabuschardt@...dia.com>,
	Mark Hairgrove <mhairgrove@...dia.com>,
	Geoffrey Gerfin <ggerfin@...dia.com>,
	John McKenna <jmckenna@...dia.com>, akpm@...ux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Interacting with coherent memory on external devices

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 09:20:55AM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2015, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> 
> > > There are hooks in glibc where you can replace the memory
> > > management of the apps if you want that.
> >
> > We don't control the app. Let's say we are doing a plugin for libfoo
> > which accelerates "foo" using GPUs.
> 
> There are numerous examples of malloc implementation that can be used for
> apps without modifying the app.

Except that the app might be mapping a file or operating on a big
array in bss instead of (or as well as) using malloc()ed memory.

> > Now some other app we have no control on uses libfoo. So pointers
> > already allocated/mapped, possibly a long time ago, will hit libfoo (or
> > the plugin) and we need GPUs to churn on the data.
> 
> IF the GPU would need to suspend one of its computation thread to wait on
> a mapping to be established on demand or so then it looks like the
> performance of the parallel threads on a GPU will be significantly
> compromised. You would want to do the transfer explicitly in some fashion
> that meshes with the concurrent calculation in the GPU. You do not want
> stalls while GPU number crunching is ongoing.

Yep.  But for throughput-oriented applications, as long as stalls don't
happen very often, this can be OK.

> > The point I'm making is you are arguing against a usage model which has
> > been repeatedly asked for by large amounts of customer (after all that's
> > also why HMM exists).
> 
> I am still not clear what is the use case for this would be. Who is asking
> for this?

Ben and I are.  I have added a use case, which I will send out shortly
with the next version.

							Thanx, Paul

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