Message-ID: <2919083.VPTOth98op@vostro.rjw.lan>
Date:	Tue, 12 May 2015 15:23:25 +0200
From:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...ysocki.net>
To:	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@...aro.org>
Cc:	Preeti U Murthy <preeti@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, peterz@...radead.org,
	tglx@...utronix.de, rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com,
	rlippert@...gle.com, linux-pm@...r.kernel.org,
	linus.walleij@...aro.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	mingo@...hat.com, sudeep.holla@....com,
	linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org, Kevin Hilman <khilman@...aro.org>,
	Lina Iyer <lina.iyer@...aro.org>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@...aro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] cpuidle: updates related to tick_broadcast_enter() failures

On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:41:35 AM Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> On 05/12/2015 01:31 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Monday, May 11, 2015 07:40:41 PM Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> >> On 05/10/2015 01:15 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, May 09, 2015 10:33:05 PM Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, May 09, 2015 10:11:41 PM Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, May 09, 2015 11:19:16 AM Preeti U Murthy wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Rafael,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 05/08/2015 07:48 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [cut]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +	/* Take note of the planned idle state. */
> >>>>>>>> +	idle_set_state(smp_processor_id(), target_state);
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And I wouldn't do this either.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The behavior here is pretty much as though the driver demoted the state chosen
> >>>>>>> by the governor and we don't call idle_set_state() again in those cases.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why is this wrong?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is not "wrong", but incomplete, because demotions done by the cpuidle driver
> >>>>> should also be taken into account in the same way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I'm seeing that the recent patch of mine that made cpuidle_enter_state()
> >>>>> call default_idle_call() was a mistake, because it might confuse find_idlest_cpu()
> >>>>> significantly as to what state the CPU is in.  I'll drop that one for now.
> >>>>
> >>>> OK, done.
> >>>>
> >>>> So after I've dropped it I think we need to do three things:
> >>>> (1) Move the idle_set_state() calls to cpuidle_enter_state().
> >>>> (2) Make cpuidle_enter_state() call default_idle_call() again, but this time
> >>>>       do that *before* it has called idle_set_state() for target_state.
> >>>> (3) Introduce demotion as per my last patch.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me cut patches for that.
> >>>
> >>> Done as per the above and the patches follow in replies to this messge.
> >>>
> >>> All on top of the current linux-next branch of the linux-pm.git tree.
> >>
> >> IMO the resulting code is more and more confusing.
> >
> > Why is it confusing?
> >
> > What part of it is confusing?
> >
> > Patches [1-2/3] simply replace https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/6326761/
> > and I'm not sure why that would be confusing.
> >
> > Patch [3/3] simply causes cpuidle_enter_state() to pick up a more suitable
> > state if tick_broadcast_enter() fails instead of returning an error code
> > in that case.  What exactly is confusing in that?
> >
> >> Except I miss something, the tick_broadcast_enter can fail only if the
> >> local timer of the current cpu is used as a broadcast timer (which is
> >> the case today for PPC only).
> >
> > well, why does this matter?
> >
> >> The correct fix would be to tie this local timer with the cpu power
> >> domain and disable the idle state powering down this domain like it was
> >> done for the renesas cpuidle driver.
> >>
> >> IOW, the cpu power domain is in use (because of its local timer), so we
> >> shouldn't shut it down.
> >>
> >> No ?
> >
> > Sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
> >
> > The problem at hand is that tick_broadcast_enter() can fail and we need to
> > handle that.  If we can prevent it from ever failing, that would be awesome,
> > but quite honestly I don't see how to do that ATM.
> 
> Ok, sorry. Let me clarify.
> 
> You did a mechanism two years ago with pm_genpd_attach_cpuidle and 
> power_on/off. That disables a cpuidle state when a power domain is in use.
> 
> The idea I was proposing is to reuse this approach.
> 
> The logic is:
> 
> "The local timer is in use, this idle state power downs this timer, then 
> disable it".

I'm not sure it's about powering down.  Stopping rather (which may or may
not involve powering down).

> So it is when the broadcast timer is 'bound_on' a cpu, we disable the 
> idle states. That could be done via a loop looking for the TIMER_STOP 
> flag or via the power domain.
> 
> Hence the cpuidle_select will never return a state which powers downs 
> the local cpu (because they are disabled) and tick_broadcast_enter can't 
> fail because it is never called.
> 
> Does it make more sense ?

Well, you've not explained what's confusing in the code after this series
in the first place. :-)

Second, quite honestly, I don't see a connection to genpd here.

What you seem to be saying is "maybe we can eliminate the need to check the
return value of tick_broadcast_enter() in the idle loop if we proactively
disable the TIMER_STOP idle states of a CPU when we start to use that CPU's
timer as a broadcast one".

So this seems to be about the timekeeping rather than power domains, because
that's where the broadcast thing is done.  So the code setting up the CPU's
timer for broadcast would pretty much need to pause cpuidle, go through the
CPU's idle states and disable the TIMER_STOP ones.  And do the reverse when the
timer is not going the be used for broadcast any more.  So question is whether
or not this is actually really more straightforward than checking the return
value of tick_broadcast_enter() in the idle loop after all.


-- 
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Rafael J. Wysocki, Intel Open Source Technology Center.
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