linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 00/10] x86/asm: Compile-time asm code validation

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <CALCETrUEd318CGdVy6XKNkmj9EUdinEO7d_zBDwFNhzGOpUrkg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:38:32 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>
Cc:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Michal Marek <mmarek@...e.cz>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>, live-patching@...r.kernel.org,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/10] x86/asm: Compile-time asm code validation

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:40:06AM -0700, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 05:04:12PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> >> > > > - duplicate the destination code inside the function
>> >> > > > - convert the jump to a call
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That all won't work for a lot of cases.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hm, could you give an example?
>> >>
>> >> Just a standard *_user exception handler.
>> >
>> > I'm afraid I don't follow.  Exception handlers don't work via jump
>> > instructions, but rather via CPU exceptions.
>> >
>> > Or are you talking about something else?
>>
>> Let's take an example:
>>
>> 102:
>>         .section .fixup,"ax"
>>         103:    addl %ecx,%edx                  /* ecx is zerorest also */
>>         jmp copy_user_handle_tail
>>        .previous
>>
>>         _ASM_EXTABLE(100b,103b)
>>         _ASM_EXTABLE(101b,103b)
>>
>> The exception handling code is part of the function, but it's out of line.
>
> The jump instruction is in the .fixup section, not in the callable
> function itself.  So it doesn't violate the asmvalidate rules.

It still won't unwind correctly unless .pushsection somehow magically
propagates CFI state.  (Does it?)

>
>> > Are you suggesting that we implement this gcc optimization in kernel asm
>> > code?
>>
>> It was how Linux traditionally implemented locking code for example.
>> Have the hot path handle the uncontended fast path, and the slow path
>> call.
>>
>> I don't know if there is much left of it (a lot of it was removed because
>> it was hard to describe in dwarf3, needs dwarf4). But it seems bad
>> to completely disallow it.
>>
>> But yes eventually gcc generated code should use it again, because it's
>> great for icache usage if you measure it correctly at run time
>> (not the broken "size" approach that is unfortunately far too common)
>
> This patch set has no relationship to gcc generated code whatsoever.  So
> it doesn't disallow anything there.
>
> For kernel asm code, AFAIK, such a mechanism for hot/cold path
> separation in separate sections doesn't exist today.  So it's not
> "disallowed" there either.  It's just apparently not currently done.
>
> If somebody were to create such a mechanism, I think we could
> standardize it in such a way that it could be compatible with
> asmvalidate.

Hopefully true.  The entry code is full of tail calls, though.

--Andy

>
> --
> Josh



-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/