linux-kernel - Re: kdbus: to merge or not to merge?

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Message-ID: <20150625075150.GA17367@gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:51:50 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:	David Lang <david@...g.hm>
Cc:	Martin Steigerwald <martin@...htvoll.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Havoc Pennington <havoc.pennington@...il.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>, Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>
Subject: Re: kdbus: to merge or not to merge?


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org> wrote:

> 
> * David Lang <david@...g.hm> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > > And the thing is, in hindsight, after such huge flamewars, years down the 
> > > line, almost never do I see the following question asked: 'what were we 
> > > thinking merging that crap??'. If any question arises it's usually along the 
> > > lines of: 'what was the big fuss about?'. So I think by and large the process 
> > > works.
> > 
> > counterexamples, devfs, tux
> 
> Actually, we never merged the Tux web server upstream, and the devfs concept has 
> kind of made a comeback via devtmpfs.

Bits of devfs also live on in sysfs. So devfs wasn't a bad initial idea IMHO, but 
we had to do one more (incompatible ...) iteration to figure out why we didn't 
like it.

Furthermore, I'm pretty sure there's a snowball's chance in hell that we'd have 
ended up with the current pretty cleaned up hardware/system ABI _without_ devfs. 
So it was a necessary pain.

Thanks,

	Ingo
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