linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v18 19/22] richacl: Add richacl xattr handler

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Message-ID: <20160315210526.GC3658@fieldses.org>
Date:	Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:05:26 -0400
From:	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@...ldses.org>
To:	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>
Cc:	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@...hat.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-nfs@...r.kernel.org, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
	linux-cifs@...r.kernel.org, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@...marydata.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, xfs@....sgi.com,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@...ger.ca>,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@...chiereds.net>,
	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org,
	Anna Schumaker <anna.schumaker@...app.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v18 19/22] richacl: Add richacl xattr handler

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:10:14AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 09:19:05AM -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 06:17:35AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 09:17:24AM +0100, Andreas Gruenbacher wrote:
> > > > Add richacl xattr handler implementing the xattr operations based on the
> > > > get_richacl and set_richacl inode operations.
> > > 
> > > Given all the issues with Posix ACLs and selinux attributes these really
> > > should be proper syscalls instead of abusing the xattr interface.
> > 
> > What are those problems exactly?
> 
> That people get confused between the attr used by the xattr syscall
> interface and the attr used to store things on disk or the protocol.
> This has happened every time we have non-native support, e.g. XFS, NFS,
> CIFS, ntfs, etc.  And it's only going to become worse.

How has that confusion caused problems in practice?

--b.