linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v18 00/22] Richacls (Core and Ext4)

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Message-ID: <20160315201700.GA22945@sernet.de>
Date:	Tue, 15 Mar 2016 21:17:00 +0100
From:	Volker Lendecke <Volker.Lendecke@...Net.DE>
To:	Cristoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>
Cc:	Jeremy Allison <jra@...ba.org>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@...hat.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@...ldses.org>,
	Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@...r.kernel.org>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>, linux-cifs@...r.kernel.org,
	Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@...marydata.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	XFS Developers <xfs@....sgi.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@...ger.ca>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@...chiereds.net>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna.schumaker@...app.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v18 00/22] Richacls (Core and Ext4)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 08:45:14AM -0700, Jeremy Allison wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:11:03AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > People have long learned that we only have 'alloc' permissions.  Any
> > model that mixes allow and deny ACE is a mistake.
> 
> People can also learn and change though :-). One of the
> biggest complaints people deploying Samba on Linux have is the
> incompatible ACL models.

Just to confirm: I see this a lot in the field. NFSv4 ACLs, while not a
perfect match for NTFS ACLs are a lot closer much more usable to people
who want to serve Windows clients.

Also in the pure linux world there is a lot that you can not express
with just rwx, sgid, sticky bits and friends. If you want the additional
functionality of the richacl bits, I would call it a big mistake to
omit negative aces, if just for the reason not to create yet another
ACLs flavor.

> Whilst I have sympathy with your intense dislike of the
> Windows ACL model, this comes down to the core of "who
> do we serve ?"

The world has enough confusion around ACL semanics, please do not add
more to it by creating your own model of the day.

Volker