linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v15 04/13] task_isolation: add initial support

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Message-ID: <20160830075854.GZ10153@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Date:   Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:58:54 +0200
From:   Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:     Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...lanox.com>
Cc:     Gilad Ben Yossef <giladb@...lanox.com>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
        Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>,
        Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@...aro.org>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 04/13] task_isolation: add initial support

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 12:40:32PM -0400, Chris Metcalf wrote:
> On 8/29/2016 12:33 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 05:19:27PM -0400, Chris Metcalf wrote:
> >>+	/*
> >>+	 * Request rescheduling unless we are in full dynticks mode.
> >>+	 * We would eventually get pre-empted without this, and if
> >>+	 * there's another task waiting, it would run; but by
> >>+	 * explicitly requesting the reschedule, we may reduce the
> >>+	 * latency.  We could directly call schedule() here as well,
> >>+	 * but since our caller is the standard place where schedule()
> >>+	 * is called, we defer to the caller.
> >>+	 *
> >>+	 * A more substantive approach here would be to use a struct
> >>+	 * completion here explicitly, and complete it when we shut
> >>+	 * down dynticks, but since we presumably have nothing better
> >>+	 * to do on this core anyway, just spinning seems plausible.
> >>+	 */
> >>+	if (!tick_nohz_tick_stopped())
> >>+		set_tsk_need_resched(current);
> >This is broken.. and it would be really good if you don't actually need
> >to do this.
> 
> Can you elaborate?  We clearly do want to wait until we are in full
> dynticks mode before we return to userspace.
> 
> We could do it just in the prctl() syscall only, but then we lose the
> ability to implement the NOSIG mode, which can be a convenience.

So this isn't spelled out anywhere. Why does this need to be in the
return to user path?

> Even without that consideration, we really can't be sure we stay in
> dynticks mode if we disable the dynamic tick, but then enable interrupts,
> and end up taking an interrupt on the way back to userspace, and
> it turns the tick back on.  That's why we do it here, where we know
> interrupts will stay disabled until we get to userspace.

But but but.. task_isolation_enter() is explicitly ran with IRQs
_enabled_!! It even WARNs if they're disabled.

> So if we are doing it here, what else can/should we do?  There really
> shouldn't be any other tasks waiting to run at this point, so there's
> not a heck of a lot else to do on this core.  We could just spin and
> check need_resched and signal status manually instead, but that
> seems kind of duplicative of code already done in our caller here.

What !? I really don't get this, what are you waiting for? Why is
rescheduling making things better.