linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v8 3/3] dmaengine: pl330: Don't require irq-safe runtime PM

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Date:   Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:02:35 +0530
From:   Vinod Koul <vinod.koul@...el.com>
To:     Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@...sung.com>
Cc:     Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@...aro.org>,
        "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...ysocki.net>,
        linux-samsung-soc <linux-samsung-soc@...r.kernel.org>,
        dmaengine@...r.kernel.org,
        "linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org" 
        <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        "linux-pm@...r.kernel.org" <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@...nel.org>,
        Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@...sung.com>,
        Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@...afoo.de>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, Inki Dae <inki.dae@...sung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 3/3] dmaengine: pl330: Don't require irq-safe runtime
 PM

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 01:15:27PM +0100, Marek Szyprowski wrote:

> >Although, I don't know of other examples, besides the runtime PM use
> >case, where non-atomic channel prepare/unprepare would make sense. Do
> >you?
> 
> Changing GFP_ATOMIC to GFP_KERNEL in some calls in the DMA engine drivers
> would be also a nice present for the memory management subsystem if there
> is no real reason to drain atomic pools.

The reason for the calls being atomic is that they will be invoked from
atomic context. All prepare callbacks, submit, issue_pending are in that context.
You have to be mindful that we can prepare and issue next txn from dmaengine
callback which is a tasklet.

> >>As I said earlier, if we want to solve that problem a better idea is to
> >>actually split the prepare as we discussed in [1]
> >>
> >>This way we can get a non atomic descriptor allocate/prepare and release.
> >>Yes we need to redesign the APIs to solve this, but if you guys are up for
> >>it, I think we can do it and avoid any further round abouts :)
> >Adding/re-designing dma APIs is a viable option to solve the runtime PM case.
> >
> >Changes would be needed for all related dma client drivers as well,
> >although if that's what we need to do - let's do it.
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>>So besides solving the irq-safe issue for dma driver, using the
> >>>device-links has additionally two advantages. I already mentioned the
> >>>-EPROBE_DEFER issue above.
> >>>
> >>>The second thing, is the runtime/system PM relations we get for free
> >>>by using the links. In other words, the dma driver/core don't need to
> >>>care about dealing with pm_runtime_get|put() as that would be managed
> >>>by the dma client driver.
> >>Yeah sorry took me a while to figure that out :), If we do a different API
> >>then dmaengine core can call pm_runtime_get|put() from non-atomic context.
> >Yes, it can and this works from runtime PM point of view. But the
> >following issues would remain unsolved.
> >
> >1)
> >Dependencies between dma drivers and dma client drivers during system
> >PM. For example, a dma client driver needs the dma controller to be
> >operational (remain system resumed), until the dma client driver
> >itself becomes system suspended.
> >
> >The *only* currently available solution for this, is to try to system
> >suspend the dma controller later than the dma client, via using the
> >*late or the *noirq system PM callbacks. This works for most cases,
> >but it becomes a problem when the dma client also needs to be system
> >suspended at the *late or the *noirq phase. Clearly this solution that
> >doesn't scale.
> >
> >Using device links explicitly solves this problem as it allows to
> >specify this dependency between devices.
> 
> Frankly, then creating device links has to be added to EVERY subsystem,
> which involves getting access to the resources provided by the other
> device. More or less this will apply to all kernel frameworks, which
> provide kind of ABC_get_XYZ(dev, ...) functions (like clk_get, phy_get,
> dma_chan_get, ...). Sounds like a topic for another loooong discussion.

Yeah, that was my view too :-)

> >2)
> >We won't avoid dma clients from getting -EPROBE_DEFER when requesting
> >their dma channels in their ->probe() routines. This would be
> >possible, if we can set up the device links at device initialization.
> 
> The question is which core (DMA engine?, kernel device subsystem?) and
> how to find all clients before they call dma_chan_get().

Thanks
-- 
~Vinod